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OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

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Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#81

Still a no from me until these things can display any degree of intuition, and even then it's probably still a no. You're asking for trouble if you hook an autonomous agent up to anything that you care about. You're insanely naive if you give it access to everything. OpenAI can't even monitor its own shit properly with teams of well paid engineers, and you are one novel prompt injection technique away from your entir…

So at least 569 vibe coders have made a huge mess of an already hugely messy piece of software and they somehow think this is a flex? Yeah I’m gonna continue to not use openclaw. I installed it once in a VM and was immediately like what is this and why would I ever want it? Seriously Claude code already does everything openclaw can and with a much better harness?

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#82
post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

It's used primarily for generating spam and inventing scams. Nobody real actually uses this garbage, it's all just fake marketing and shills (when they're not scamming people, that is?

and the biggest reason was a plug for Peter himself.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#83

I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…

> Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do.

Agreed on the shady software (or shitty online website that asks you for a payment after you're done editing), however, wouldn't the best PDF edition approaches involve WYSIWYG style edition? I'm guessing you didn't get that with Pi.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#84

I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…

As someone who ever used either: Are they comparable? I thought of them very differently, Pi more being, idk, a codex-light like thing and OpenClaw being this continuously running machine, doing stuff without your explicit prompting, ingesting signals.

I need to read up.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#85
post #14

I like the idea but do not have a good use for these semi-autonomous agents. Or any notion for a decent use, frankly. What do people do with them? It sounds great to have an always-on box which does things. Like a server. I have servers. There are even Signal and other transports so you can communicate with the box conveniently. And then what?

It's used primarily for generating spam and inventing scams. Nobody real actually uses this garbage, it's all just fake marketing and shills (when they're not scamming people, that is?

Now that is unfair. It also serves as a petting zoo for CVEs. Honestly tragic, I am starting to feel concerned for their well-being. So many in one code base, that has to violate some welfare laws. Almost 600 in less than a year, roughly two per day, utterly insane.

In all seriousness, the fact that OpenClaw wasn't treated as an interesting, but failed experiment and shut down is telling for this industry. Is just letting LLMs output code without reviewing the results a path towards major issues? Nah, that can't be the case.

And to proof it, here is a piece of software with some of the most CVEs relative to its size and age we have ever seen. We then get some highly paid engineers from companies like Nvidia assigned to somehow finagle it into a workable state. Not like, if LLMs where at the point that the purveyors of OpenClaw and co. seem to think they are, the models should be able to fix any issues by themselves. Especially considering the obscene amounts of free OpenAI tokens Peter Steinberger proudly uses.

In any sane time, we'd have looked at the result of OpenClaw and assessed it as not salvageable. This was barely more than an experiment when it became apparent that the inherent design was flawed after all. Mind you, it was a very informative experiment and I am thankful it exists as clear-cut evidence of the capabilities the models have at the end of 2025 up to now in 2026. Basically, OpenClaw Alpha should have been released as proof that LLMs aren't there yet and need strict review+guidance.

Development should have been restarted from scratch with A.) humans verifying the output, B.) an actual architecture in mind that the (human) developers designed and that took some learnings from the original release and C.) admitted that LLM coding in the way that yielded the original OpenClaw (as in, low to no human verification) shouldn't be done by anyone, at least with todays models.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#86
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are reasons to be careful indeed, but for me all instructions were followed nicely so far. Yesterday I had Claude (in CC) do a large number of changes to my codebase using a bash script, even though I was in planning mode and in claude.md it says: Always first list the steps you're going to take before execution. It apologized of course... But I know how LLMs can be. I take that into account.

This is my pet peeve. All the disastrous failures get reported big, but the news doesn't report when a system just quitely does the task.

In this case the "disastrous failure" is even from a super careless "experiment" by a "competitor" that likes regulation.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#87

I have found the Pi agent harness, running in a docker container, with Qwen3.8-27B in back in LM Studio, to be amazing and i use it daily. Just last weekend I used it to do PDF editing which previously would have required me to download really shady software online to do. I have never tried OpenClaw so maybe I am missing out but considering how much my agent can modify the Pi environment to work better, I am happy wi…

As someone who ever used either: Are they comparable? I thought of them very differently, Pi more being, idk, a codex-light like thing and OpenClaw being this continuously running machine, doing stuff without your explicit prompting, ingesting signals. I need to read up.

OpenClaw is built on top of Pi.

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"hey computer, i want to watch a movie on my jellyfin server tonight, get it done" and openclaw autonomously finds the torrent, downloads it, moves it to the NAS, and you sit down at the end of the day with everhything set up

You’re still responsible for the copyright infringement I’m afraid

Just say its the agent itself watching it to learn and expand its AI model and BAM its totally clean fair use!

Re: OpenClaw 2.0, Accidentally

#90
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can check the scripts and cronjobs, als ask it to summarize the scripts actions (using another agent/model if you want). All in all, LLMs are not 100% trustworthy but generally things go as intended.

“Generally” I am not anti ai in any way but I do worry people will end up in trouble by giving things like ai agents too much fredom

Ah yes people get into trouble in all sorts of ways.
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