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Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by Dylan16807 »

esikich wrote: post #132
epolanski wrote: post #123

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And eat beef every day. Who cares if a small burger pollutes more than commuting with a SUV. I mean, it's just hard to care or do something, these things should be properly taxed, but there's no chance this would be popular. But it feels we're powerless beyond minor examples we can set something everyday.

I think it often gets overlooked that effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience. Which would be the point, but people would fuckin revolt if it actually happened. Parent is complaining about 0.00000000001% of the damage done over the last 100 years.

> effective carbon taxing would tax you right out of pretty much all modern convenience

What tax number do you have in mind for "effective"?

$100 per ton or maybe $200 per ton would have massive differences on industry but wouldn't prevent modern convenience at all.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ddorian43 wrote: post #251
epolanski wrote: post #237

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As you seem to be unaware: 1. a single cow produces 250 grams of methane per day. Methane is insanely more dangerous to the environment than CO2. A single adult cow pollutes in a day as much as a car driven for 165 miles. And that's only for emissions . 2. As a cow does not pollute just what it emits, you need to add the lifecycle: cows need to be fed. 80% of the food we humans grow goes to feed animals, not humans.…

> Red meat is a category 1 carcinogenic It is not. There are no studies with simply meat. They count burgers and processed stuff. I literally do 90% carnivore so eat nothing processed. I only put salt on the meat. > You could put on a scale every single tiger, domestic dog, rabbit, squirrel, horse, hyppo, kangaroo, etc, etc, etc on the planet. Carnivore animals rarely are eaten. Horse/rabbit are low fat. Beef & lamb…

I don't think meat is a very serious cancer risk, but:

> They count burgers

Do you think grinding up a piece of cow changes whether it's carcinogenic?

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by Dylan16807 »

epolanski wrote: post #241
Gud wrote: post #143

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"A third of the problem" is fucking huge

Sure, which is why I used the image of "missing the forest for the tree, even if the tree is huge". But it's our consumption and expectations that feed into it.

And that image is wrong. If the tree is that big then it's okay to focus on it.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by jimjimjim »

alistairSH wrote: post #202
kakacik wrote: post #189

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My friend that show is legendary. Not on the same watchers level as original Top Gear (who can surpass 300 million), but its extremely good and literally eye-opening to millions about woes and challenges of modern agriculture. I must admit I was utterly clueless before watching that show, what an eye opener. I hope Jeremy will be OK regarding his health, he is a national treasure. He used to mock global warming and i…

He might be a treasure, but's he's also a prick. He has a long history of letting his on-screen persona leak into meatspace (or maybe it's the other way around) and that's not a good thing. Edit - since people seem to not believe me, at minimum, he punched his producer [1]. Which wasn't the first time he turned violent - he punched Piers Morgan [2] for letting Clarkson's extramarital affairs go public. Oh, he also ha…

Punching Piers Morgan is not a sign of a character flaw.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by consumer451 »

bjourne wrote: post #300
consumer451 wrote: post #291

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I gave you links that support my argument, very well. I am not sure what else you want. Quotes from each one, inline? If you don't have the time to read what I posted, and understand how it applies to this thread, then please copy and paste this thread into an LLM chat bot, and ask for clarity. I just tried that, and even an LLM understood my response.

Holy fuck, Batman. No one's interested in that LLM verbiage. You made specific claims. Claim A: "Environmentalist groups were in some cases entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." It's clear from context that you're talking about genuine organizations and not astroturfing. So far you've not named a single one that was "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." Hence, pure fiction.

This is the most obtuse interaction I have ever had on this website. Is this simple enough?

> In 1969, Robert O. Anderson, an oil man whose long career included a stint as the Chief Executive Officer of Atlantic Richfield (ARCO) (now part of BP, the company formerly known as British Petroleum), gave David Brower $200,000 to start Friends of the Earth (FOE).

https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by thi2 »

IshKebab wrote: post #166
pluc wrote: post #79

But at least we can talk to search engines now

This has nothing to do with AI really. It's a century of pumping out CO2, not 2 years. Maybe in the future... but you can't blame AI for this year.

AI is another symptom, adding up with everything thats wrong.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #269
jacquesm wrote: post #83

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Bluntly: too late. You'd have to rewind to 2001 or so and go on the strictest measures worldwide. But we are utterly unequipped to deal with global issues, the Ozon layer success notwithstanding.

The problem with people constantly pointing to the Ozone layer is that it was only really addressed because it cost virtually nothing to do so. All we had to do was switch from one bad thing to another good thing, which was already becoming cheaper. Climate change as a whole requires a fundamental shift from the basis of almost all chemical manufacturing and transport logistics. And doing so will cause cataclysmic ch…

>The problem with people constantly pointing to the Ozone layer is that it was only really addressed because it cost virtually nothing to do so. All we had to do was switch from one bad thing to another good thing, which was already becoming cheaper.

The tin-foil tongue in cheek joke in the refrigeration industry is "how do you know if a refrigerant is bad for the atmosphere?. because DuPont's patent expired".

Which is to say that R12 would've never gone out of fashion if not for big moneyed first world interests who have the ear of politicians whining that the 3rd world was gonna make and sell stuff cheaper and hurt their profits and that protecting the ozone layer only happened because it was good for big business. Subsequent changes in refrigerant are less flagrant but the undertone is still there. C02 never really caught on because you can just buy the stuff at any welding gas supply place for pennies, the entire supply chain stands to lose a source of profit with that as a refrigerant.

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Post by thi2 »

ddorian43 wrote: post #208
epolanski wrote: post #123

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And eat beef every day. Who cares if a small burger pollutes more than commuting with a SUV. I mean, it's just hard to care or do something, these things should be properly taxed, but there's no chance this would be popular. But it feels we're powerless beyond minor examples we can set something everyday.

The beef is not the source of this. Ruminant meat is the best food there is for humans. (i eat daily as part of ketovore diet)

It really is not but I'm glad it works for you today.

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Post by thi2 »

Reading some of these comments is really depressing. Since I can remember we talk about climate change and it's still not in peoples head.

When will it be real? When your home burns down due to a forest fire? When there is no water? When there is no food because everything is too dry? When a storm destroyed your home?

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Post by Loocid »

headsman771 wrote: post #200
IshKebab wrote: post #167

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It was in a much steadier state for hundreds of thousands of years before the 20th century. Don't be obtuse.

It goes through periods of slow change and periods of rapid change, with regional variations. That will never change. The climate cannot be controlled precisely by humans. To think otherwise is just a comforting lie people tell themselves. The vast majority of people concerned about climate change think there is some paradise we could have kept if only we hadn't been so "climate-sinful". It's uncomfortable to contemp…

There has been no period of "rapid change" that has even come close to matching the speed of climate change in the last couple hundred years.
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