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Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by consumer451 »

bjourne wrote: post #290
consumer451 wrote: post #278

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2016/07/13/are-f... https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://truthout.org/articles/top-oil-and-gas-lobby-spent-mo... http://climatecoalition.org/how-american-petroleum-institute... (sorry, no https) Russia has huge influence in German politics. I believe there is connection there as well, but I cannot find any public information to cite regarding fund…

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I gave you links that support my argument, very well.

I am not sure what else you want. Quotes from each one, inline?

If you don't have the time to read what I posted, and understand how it applies to this thread, then please copy and paste this thread into an LLM chat bot, and ask for clarity. I just tried that, and even an LLM understood my response.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by freehorse »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #274
artisinal wrote: post #169

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The 2003 European heatwave had a death toll of 70,000. That should have been a warning for us to get AC.

And for the next 20 years been basically unneeded. How much AC does Alaska have?

This is not a good argument. AC is needed every summer for some years now for much of northern europe, the only question is how many days per year. The last heatwave was not in 2003.

You do not need AC in every house necessarily. You need ACs in public buildings and in places that matter for the most vulnerable population. You need at least places this population can go during the hottest part of the day.

Solutions are known in places where heatwaves are common place, but somehow northern europe takes time to realise that they are actually solvable.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by aliasxneo »

gruez wrote: post #71
aliasxneo wrote: post #68

Just a friendly reminder that Fortune has been owned since 2018 by Thai businessman Chatchaval Jiaravanon, a member of the Chearavanont family that controls the CP Group conglomerate. CP Group created Siam Land Flying in 1991 as its in-house flight department for executives. It later added charter (Executive Wings) and air-ambulance services and still operates King Air 350 and Hawker jets. These owners don't care abo…

>These owners don't care about any of your feelings on climate change. Would you rather than they kill stories relating to climate change and pretend everything's fine instead? If not, what's the actual point of bringing that factoid up? Sure, rich people flying in private jets might be bad, but I'm not sure why it deserves extra condemnation just because they happen to own a publication that's reporting on the effec…

I simply found it comical that they probably make quite a bit of money rolling these articles out while the owners fly around in their private jet fleet. Most people probably don't know that unless someone told them - which is exactly what I just did. Clearly it touched some nerves.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by hackable_sand »

oytis wrote: post #89
usern20260720 wrote: post #60

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oh, yes. Anything but stopping the extraction, trade or combustion of fossil fuels. Even if the workarounds have unforeseen consequences.

Any solution relying on collective sacrifice is unrealistic IMO. I believe in geoingineering because it's better compatible with how economy works. Either that or we discover a magic abundant non-polluting energy source, but I woldn't rely on that

Nobody is sacrificing anything.

Framing it as such is doing propaganda's work.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by freehorse »

inigyou wrote: post #213
Symbiote wrote: post #124

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Voted for the environmental candidate every time.

Already did, we still ended up here, clearly that solution didn't work

Persuade others to vote for them?

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Post by teamonkey »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #264
api wrote: post #217

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If that's true it would mean fixing this injustice would just even out who gets to have what. It would not meaningfully reduce consumption, certainly not enough to make a huge difference in CO2 emissions. (There might be one exception to that: reducing warfare. War is a gigantic waste twice over: tons of energy to fight, tons of energy to rebuild all the stuff we break. But I doubt eliminating warfare would be enough…

The actual plan is option 2.

Or 3

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by shoobiedoo »

tmountain wrote: post #223
formvoltron wrote: post #105

How do we get Earth back to something resembling the steady state we know can work long term? 1. Electrify almost everything that can reasonably be electrified. Move quickly to EVs, and replace anything that can practically become electric with an electric version. Self driving & fleet utilization will push transportation cost per mile lower than ever before. For the power grid, data centers, and other large 24/7 con…

This all sounds good, but the Government of one of the world's primary super powers (The United States) is currently unwilling to participate in fighting climate change, so any plan seems DOA without a major policy change on that front.

Yep, unfortunately the only fix would be a world government. But that will never happen. So everyone's going to reach for a bigger slice of pie at any expense no matter what happens, no matter how clear the evidence is. (I'm not necessarily saying a world government is a good idea, but it's the only way to solve climate change that I can see)

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Post by sleepyguy »

manmal wrote: post #175
sleepyguy wrote: post #148

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No....because it would make no difference. https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g?si=dAqbVb9JV_uzLRl1

That video is quite biased. Just tell your clanker to critique it. It will point out that those numbers are quite cherry picked, and leaving out important details. E.g. the „GHG would reduce by only 2.6%“ study assumes that all crop production stays the same, which doesn’t make any sense.

I don't think it's biased. I think it makes all the sense in the world.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by noduerme »

downut wrote: post #180
jjtheblunt wrote: post #56

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that sounds wonderful from the ~1000 square miles of Phoenix, Arizona, where a century of concrete and asphalt retain so much heat that the clouds bounce around the borders of the heat bubble overhead, unable to dump rain regularly enough to evaporate away the stored heat, but with rainfall regularly visible outside the edges of the metropolitan area, in the wide open skies.

My wife and I retired to Tucson last year, and intentionally went through this first summer just to get the full experience. Never again! We've been under flash flood warnings the last several days and have only had a few sprinkles to go with the 108F days. So... I had a look at Eureka CA weather this morning. Looks like Western Norway. Nice. Spending July and August up there might be mandatory for our mental health.…

Eureka is a weird place. It's got a foggy microclimate that you can actually see as you drive into it. Even for the Northern California / Oregon coast it's especially cool and rainy.

As a Portlander I treasure our 3-4 months of sunny weather. I wouldn't be able to handle the year-round gloom.

Re: Europe's summer drought is so extreme that desertification is a growing threat

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Post by bjourne »

consumer451 wrote: post #291
bjourne wrote: post #290

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I gave you links that support my argument, very well. I am not sure what else you want. Quotes from each one, inline? If you don't have the time to read what I posted, and understand how it applies to this thread, then please copy and paste this thread into an LLM chat bot, and ask for clarity. I just tried that, and even an LLM understood my response.

Holy fuck, Batman. No one's interested in that LLM verbiage. You made specific claims. Claim A:

"Environmentalist groups were in some cases entirely formed by fossil fuel interests."

It's clear from context that you're talking about genuine organizations and not astroturfing. So far you've not named a single one that was "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests."

Hence, pure fiction.

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