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California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by antonvs »

cwillu wrote: post #337
antonvs wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really missing the point that badly? If you allow this pandering to satisfy you, you’re essentially supporting an age verification requirement for all other computing systems. So you didn’t think the requirement itself was a problem, you just wanted to make sure it didn’t affect you?

It's not an exemption “for linux”, and claiming it is and then accusing people who point out that it's very clearly not of missing the point is something else. Good day.

What you’re doing is called derailing.

I used the same language as in the OP title. Why aren’t you responding to that? You’re missing the point because you weren’t responding meaningfully to what I was saying, you’re using someone else’s choice of language to derail.

> Good day.

And here comes the passive aggression, true to form.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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antonvs wrote: post #341
cwillu wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an exemption “for linux”, and claiming it is and then accusing people who point out that it's very clearly not of missing the point is something else. Good day.

What you’re doing is called derailing. I used the same language as in the OP title. Why aren’t you responding to that? You’re missing the point because you weren’t responding meaningfully to what I was saying, you’re using someone else’s choice of language to derail. > Good day. And here comes the passive aggression, true to form.

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by schmichael »

jareklupinski wrote: post #161
ludicrousdispla wrote: post #120

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I credit Minecraft with getting an entire generation comfortable using command line statements.

when a coworker asked how i remembered the argument for increasing java heap size, i just said "oh from a previous job" :X

The only reason I got into programming was to cheat at video games to get a higher score than my brother. Self-motivated learning is always more impressive than mandated. Take pride in your tinkering!

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by tstrimple »

LanceH wrote: post #248
close04 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then the exception will evaporate overnight.

As for the bill itself, it's one of those that gets passed because it is non invasive to the typical person, it's voluntary, and it should help some. There is no downside at all. But 2 years from now a baseline has been established where the need to know your age when using a computer is taken for granted, and it's revealed that self-reporting isn't working and gasp there was this one kid in the news about something…

The baseline is already being established. In the majority of US states now you have to send your photo ID to a 3rd party to access "adult content". The conspiracy theories around the California and Illinois laws are senseless given the speed run the rest of the country is doing to ending privacy online. We get threads with hundreds of comments about California "fighting against privacy" and basically silence on the dozens of other states implementing far more privacy invasive legislation.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by tstrimple »

rfgplk wrote: post #87
rgmerk wrote: post #30

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A quick search suggests that 3D-printed guns being used in crime is an actual, for-real, and growing problem. I take it that you wouldn't be OK with somebody building a uranium enrichment facility in their backyard for their hobby reactor. So there is a line to be drawn on where people's freedom to tinker ends; it's just a question of where you draw it. Personally, I think given there is an actual documented, non-iso…

> A quick search suggests that 3D-printed guns being used in crime is an actual, for-real, and growing problem. Making actual firearms from steel is trivial. In fact you can look up Kalashnikov designs online and then replicate it with a relatively simple mill/lathe/tapping setup.

The easier a thing is to do, the more often people will do it. And downloading a file and pressing print is a far, far lower barrier than machining steel.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by tstrimple »

Frannky wrote: post #24
anigbrowl wrote: post #3

Weird how the people who habitually complain about government are conspicuously silent when it delivers something they wanted.

A lot of people are not stupid. Age verification is a backdoor for control. I read and did not even bother to comment, it's like yay, that horrendous thing they were trying to do now it's not applied to everyone. I'm also sorry for California, such a beautiful place and full of wonderful people. I hope it will recover one day.

A lot of people are stupid though. The law had zero age verification in it for example, but tons of breathless conspiracy theorists are claiming that's what it is about.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by saimiam »

picofarad wrote: post #246
snackoverflow wrote: post #228

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I believe the comment was in reference to the frequency of school shootings in the United States vs the rest of the world.

457 deaths in US history. 1200 deaths a day from diarrhea in India. Put it in perspective.

According to UNICEF, globally, Diarrhea causes 444k deaths of children under 5 or ~1200 per day.

Globally, 1.2 million people (all ages) die of diarrhea every year.

India accounts for 120k deaths of children under 4 or roughly one fourth of global D related deaths or 328 deaths per day.

Assuming a similar ratio across all ages, India must account for 300k D related deaths every year of roughly 820 deaths. Not great (obviously) but at least it only accounts for 1/4 of all D deaths, not 1/3rd.

Edit - worth pointing out that India has 1.4B out of 8B humans globally or a little more than 1/6th.

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/diarrhoeal-diseas...

https://www.joghr.org/article/75428-evaluating-india-s-inten...

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by angiolillo »

inigyou wrote: post #267
rebeccaskinner wrote: post #227

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on-device filtering is the right way to go, but it shouldn’t be a matter of sending metadata about the user to a service- instead services should provide standard metadata about the content to the device and the device can choose what, if anything, to display. This preserves privacy better by keeping more information about the user local, and gives people better tools to decide what metadata categories they want to f…

That solution doesn't actually work, and it angers me that people can't see why it doesn't work. That solution requires that the entire website must be child-safe or none of it. That solution requires that Tumblr must ban porn if Tumblr has any underage users. The alternative would be that Tumblr would randomly not load for underage users because some recommendation or ad would be over 18, and so it would rapidly hav…

Why must an age rating apply to an entire website?

As one example, the Internet Content Rating Association (ICRA) (and to a lesser extent the prior Recreational Software Advisory Council (RSACi)) had a rating scheme that allowed sites to provide a default rating label that was then overridden for individual pages and resources using tags and RDF-based labels. For example, Tumblr could set a family-friendly default rating and append a different rating on specific user pages, images, or ads.

An even more granular scheme could be applied via HTML attributes which would allow an individual section, image, link, or text snippet to be marked e.g. as "sexual", "violent", "substance use", "spoiler", or even "unknown" for unreviewed user-provided content. Then leave it up to web browsers to choose whether and how to render elements with these attributes. (Hidden entirely? With censor bars? Pixelated?)

There would be substantial logistical and regulatory challenges to get websites to comply, but it doesn't seem substantially harder than the current age verification schemes.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by iamnothere »

tstrimple wrote: post #345
LanceH wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As for the bill itself, it's one of those that gets passed because it is non invasive to the typical person, it's voluntary, and it should help some. There is no downside at all. But 2 years from now a baseline has been established where the need to know your age when using a computer is taken for granted, and it's revealed that self-reporting isn't working and gasp there was this one kid in the news about something…

The baseline is already being established. In the majority of US states now you have to send your photo ID to a 3rd party to access "adult content". The conspiracy theories around the California and Illinois laws are senseless given the speed run the rest of the country is doing to ending privacy online. We get threads with hundreds of comments about California "fighting against privacy" and basically silence on the…

Everyone expects Kansas to continue being Kansas. Many users here live on the West coast and find themselves suddenly affected.
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