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California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by wredcoll »

irishcoffee wrote: post #287
haliskerbas wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A larger number of people dying from an unrelated cause in another country doesn’t make these deaths insignificant. By that logic, virtually no problem deserves attention because you can always find something that kills more people.

You must not be familiar with the trolley problem.

The "trolley problem" is literally never a valid argument for anything because it purports to create an analogy for a real world problem but does so by creating a scenario that cannot exist, hence any argument based on it is nonapplicable to "real" problems.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by wredcoll »

tyre wrote: post #190
SiempreViernes wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the gunplay in Minecraft very limited, so I'm surprised that is how you got into Counterstrike ;)

If they’re American, guns are just part of our education system.

I thought it was funny. Depressing, but funny.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by LtWorf »

red_admiral wrote: post #234
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #215

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TBH, OS based parental filters are the optimal solution here, especially if implemented in a proper way. Kids don't buy phones and computers, parents do. When setting up the account for the first time, the parents could set the account to be an "underage one", all the apps, browsers, etc., would get the USER_IS_UNDERAGE flag and filter content according to that. No need for every site to ask and verify the age, just…

This assumes the parent knows a little bit about computers - as opposed to the child being the one that's constantly helping the parent out.

That era is over.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by charonn0 »

pipes wrote: post #63

My gut reaction to this is that there is something seriously wrong if special clauses are required. Why should open source get special treatment, to me that just highlights that the law is utterly ridiculous.

One of the problems with the original law is that it failed to distinguish between open source projects and closed source products. If anything this amendment should make the law less objectionable, not more.

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Post by samudrijan »

picofarad wrote: post #246
snackoverflow wrote: post #228

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I believe the comment was in reference to the frequency of school shootings in the United States vs the rest of the world.

457 deaths in US history. 1200 deaths a day from diarrhea in India. Put it in perspective.

Spoken like a non-parent.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by LtWorf »

inigyou wrote: post #274
maccard wrote: post #244

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It’s 150 comments of back and forth on a change which doesn’t have a concrete reason, the maintainers aren’t in agreement on what the right approach is wrt the field’s behaviour, and the person who submitted it is bouncing between saying he’s keeping it on topic and then adding scope where he believes it should be added. I also personally disagree with the change, I think the OP has gone ahead and implemented what th…

That's the facebookisation or redditisation of open source. Open source used to mean when you got the software you got the source code, but now it means a platform for arguing. And there's no doubt in my mind when people say they can't switch their project from GitHub to Forgejo because they'd lose "contributions", they mean this.

I would never look at a person's github account to evaluate them. The most important things people do will be proprietary, or if they contribute to serious projects will be in that project's gitlab/forgejo's instance.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by irishcoffee »

wredcoll wrote: post #311
irishcoffee wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must not be familiar with the trolley problem.

The "trolley problem" is literally never a valid argument for anything because it purports to create an analogy for a real world problem but does so by creating a scenario that cannot exist, hence any argument based on it is nonapplicable to "real" problems.

You think that kind of scenario cannot exist? That is your reasoning for dismissing it? You’ll hafta do better than that.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by foresto »

vdfs wrote: post #105
red_admiral wrote: post #73

We got into this mess because people wanted Facebook to have age verification, and MZ decided to push the responsibility on to OSes. The result looks to me like Facebook will ban access from non-approved OSes like Linux. Android will still be allowed, GrapheneOS probably not.

That would be a big win for linux users

Until adoption expands beyond Facebook to services that we want.

Or to things that we need, like medical care, government interactions, and financial services.

People shouldn't have to choose between safety features like those in Graphene OS and participation in society.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by layla5alive »

nirui wrote: post #221

Wow, you guys are really REALLY naive aren't you. They made it sound like it, but this is not a victory at all, this is a temporary strategic compromise to silence the most sensitive/foreseen privacy advocator for now. But they will not stop here, instead they'll keep advancing the mechanisms, opinions and laws, so one day when the pieces aligned, they can come back to turn this tap off while having people lied to th…

This should be the top comment (minus the first line which, while not untrue, probably doesn't help the message)

We need solidarity to push back against this.

The corporate and government systems we have built are the original paperclip maximizers.

They/collectively "we" are creating an enclosure around all of humanity... Systematically eliminating privacy, liberty and freedom.

Increasingly, the matrix has all of us, and it didn't even need to put us in scifi stasis pods - turns out fiat currency + inflation/infinite growth + resource scarcity + digital markets + internet + smartphones/IoT/devices is already a pretty effective matrix substrate..

Wake up, people...

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