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California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by cyanydeez »

Plont wrote: post #166
phoghed wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if everyone did everything correctly every time in perpetuity, we wouldn’t need laws. Very astute observation. Unfortunately, things haven’t worked out that way so far.

Oh no, some people are terrible at cooking. Better ban cooking without a license. Giving your neighbor a home baked pie is now a crime unless you're a licensed pastry chef.

i mean, we know people are terrible at driving, so we give them license.

We know poeople are terrible with guns so we...um..try to protect their freedom to be terrible.

These arguments are about values not control gates.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by gwerbin »

This is a victory only in a very perverse sense. The silver lining is that maybe this will push more people towards using Linux (maybe Haiku will have its day). And Linux itself lives on. But what a disaster of a policy, clearly just catering to lobbyists and not the best interests of Californians.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by huimang »

cyanydeez wrote: post #188
teddyh wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That commit message mentions laws from California, Colorado, and Brazil. Today’s article is only about how the Californian law is inapplicable. It seems to me that the feature is still valid.

also, it's a complete stub that does zero of interest.

Stub code that doesn't do anything sounds like a great candidate for removal.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by cindyllm »

cyanydeez wrote: post #191
Plont wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, some people are terrible at cooking. Better ban cooking without a license. Giving your neighbor a home baked pie is now a crime unless you're a licensed pastry chef.

i mean, we know people are terrible at driving, so we give them license. We know poeople are terrible with guns so we...um..try to protect their freedom to be terrible. These arguments are about values not control gates.

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

anon-3988 wrote: post #150
rbbydotdev wrote: post #40

this bill fixes nothing. if you wanted to prevent harm from the internet you would start with proper privacy laws. but we all know why that will never happen

> if you wanted to prevent harm from the internet you would start with proper privacy laws Explain how a privacy that protects you and me will somehow not protect a pedophile. How does that work? I am FOR privacy. I don't think it can be done. I do not want to have any information at all stored anywhere, encrypted, decentralized or otherwise. Nada. Its just text. I want to just be a number in everyone database. I wan…

> Explain how a privacy that protects you and me will somehow not protect a pedophile.

I think that it will, and that's okay. The US Bill of Rights necessarily protects criminals as well as innocents. "The optimal amount of [crime] is non-zero." (https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fra...)

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

lee_ars wrote: post #163
jsdevtom wrote: post #154

The fact that these bureaucrats think they have a right to add age-verification to information is ludicrous in the first place. This should be as much non-news as 'Lawmakers unanimously decide death is legal'.

Lawmakers—contemporary and otherwise—have in fact decided many many times that the state can deprive you of your life as punishment for certain crimes.

I believe what parent commenter is suggesting is that it would be ridiculous for lawmakers to call it a crime to die, say without verifying you are of the legal age to do so. It would be like declaring that breathing is legal: why does that need a proclamation?

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by cyanydeez »

red_admiral wrote: post #73

We got into this mess because people wanted Facebook to have age verification, and MZ decided to push the responsibility on to OSes. The result looks to me like Facebook will ban access from non-approved OSes like Linux. Android will still be allowed, GrapheneOS probably not.

"people" didn't ask for age verification; they asked for Facebook to be shut down because it's a social hazard for children.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Post by [deleted] »

teddyh wrote: post #186
gonzalohm wrote: post #165

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That sounds horrible

You don’t say. Here are some things to radicalize you: • 2012: https://memex.craphound.com/2012/01/10/lockdown-the-coming-w... > • 2003: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ > • 1997: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html.en >

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