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California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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We got into this mess because people wanted Facebook to have age verification, and MZ decided to push the responsibility on to OSes. The result looks to me like Facebook will ban access from non-approved OSes like Linux. Android will still be allowed, GrapheneOS probably not.

How do you ban access to a website based on the OS of the user?

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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this bill fixes nothing. if you wanted to prevent harm from the internet you would start with proper privacy laws. but we all know why that will never happen

Privacy laws don't prevent foreign entities from influencing elections and making children addicted.

And age verification prevents influencing elections, how?

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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We got into this mess because people wanted Facebook to have age verification, and MZ decided to push the responsibility on to OSes. The result looks to me like Facebook will ban access from non-approved OSes like Linux. Android will still be allowed, GrapheneOS probably not.

How do you ban access to a website based on the OS of the user?

By requiring hardware attestation, like Private Access Tokens in iOS/MacOS (see https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-... for example) and Web Environment Integrity and its successors ( https://github.com/explainers-by-googlers/Web-Environment-In... ).

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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A quick search suggests that 3D-printed guns being used in crime is an actual, for-real, and growing problem. I take it that you wouldn't be OK with somebody building a uranium enrichment facility in their backyard for their hobby reactor. So there is a line to be drawn on where people's freedom to tinker ends; it's just a question of where you draw it. Personally, I think given there is an actual documented, non-iso…

Fully 3D-printed guns have awful performance, though. You would likely get significantly better results improvising with the stuff available at literally any random hardware store. Yet, despite that kind of gun being around for centuries , we weirdly aren't seeing bans on rigid metal tubes yet. 3D-printed "guns" become a real issue when you combine it with unregulated sale of firearm parts and ammunition. To get a fu…

> ... why aren't we seeing European countries mass-banning 3D printers?

Dunno, because most europeans are way more responsible with their guns than many people in the US?

For example in the EU (and in Switzerland) before you can buy a gun, you get specific training about safe and responsible handling. And in many countries the cops shall come to your place and verify that you've got a gun safe and a separate safe for the ammo.

And we don't offer AR-15 to our kids when they turn 14 y/o (well I say that but my daughter wants to shoot my weapons and, once she turns 14, she can switch from air rifles to the real thing as long as she's accompanied).

Just to be clear: we have shitloads of guns and ammos in Europe. There's even one EU country with concealed carry. I think it's estimated there are twice as many non-registered weapons as registered ones. We've got big guns factories and gun brands in the EU. And there are millions of illegal full-auto weapons like kalashnikovs (well Zastava M70, which is the same) from the war in Yougoslavia in the hands of criminals. And shitloads of fully functional weapons, including handguns, from WWII circulating.

In my native city (Brussels, Belgium), at the moment there are drug dealers firing kalashnikov on police stations regularly (it's a big issue, it's in the news daily and the authorities don't know what to do).

In addition to people shooting at the range (and, sadly, to drug dealers/criminals ruining our cities), we've got lots of hunters too.

Many people at my shooting range have their official gun transport license full (that is 30 weapons) and some have more than 100 weapons in their collection.

It's a fantasy that europeans don't have guns: we're (mostly) responsible with them.

It's maybe because we're responsible with our guns that the EU hasn't banned 3D printers... Yet (it's the EU, so nothing is unthinkable).

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Technically opensource stays the same. The special treatment is for closed source OSes that get an additional legal protection for their datamining. We should not be passing laws that legalize the datamining of people.

It’s about to get so much worse before we get any kind of meaningful change for the better. Buckle up

Empty cynicism adds no value.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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It only applies to software distributed under a license. Public domain software isn't distributed under a license. It's in the public domain; no license is needed.

Can you name an OS that's licensed as public domain?

TempleOS

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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Practically, the components of Android which mandate a user account are not distributed so that the user can modify them. The exemption does not apply.

Yeah most OSes contain open source code, but that doesn't make them open source as a whole.

But if Ubuntu bundles an Nvidia graphics driver that is not open source does that disqualify it? It's normal for there to be a mix of both open and closed source code in an os.

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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post #100

this bill fixes nothing. if you wanted to prevent harm from the internet you would start with proper privacy laws. but we all know why that will never happen

Privacy laws don't prevent foreign entities from influencing elections and making children addicted.

Cambridge Analytica? The addictions are from these free platforms which do so to harvest your data

Re: California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law

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> (2) “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software. Where does MacOS and iOS fit then? The core of both those operating systems (darwin) is open source (APSL licensed).

> copy, redistribute, and modify the software I can copy and redistribute macOS binaries, and I can write programs/extensions that modify macOS. These vague terms show that legislators are incapable of regulating software effectively; but they do create an enduring legal franchise to deal with their confusion.

> under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software

The “under license terms…” is a pretty important clause you omitted here.

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