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What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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I dunno, claude generates pure linguistic puzzles in javadoc.

Funnily enough, the underlying signal is what’s nonsensical; the individual sentences are always well structured

They are not well structured. They are syntactically correct. But, if a person wrote them, you would say they are badly structured. I have seen tripple negatives and sentences that should be split into four.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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> Somewhere, you need aluminum smelters, steel mills, and copper mines. Why? We already have plenty of materials that can, are close, or have potential pathways for functional substitutes depending on the application? We are already pretty reliably able to print metal with machines no bigger than a fridge. What happens when a curable resin or impregnated plastic can sufficiently replace steel/aluminum/copper for func…

...this commenter has never worked in manufacturing or studied materials science, and it shows. Or, I'd wager, dropped a 3D printed resin part on a hard floor and watched it shatter like glass.

I-beam made from PLA with 3D belt printer.[1] Can be looked at.

I-beam made from steel with rolling mill.[2] Can hold up large building.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-h-ErqrEg

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfaqrVFnQBQ

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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Title is unrelated to content. If you want "a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools" read "Walkaway", by Cory Doctorow. This is the 3D printer fantasy future, where everything can be made easily with small and easily available high-tech equipment. It sort of works in the story. But in reality, 3D printers aren't that good. Somewhere, you need aluminum smelters, steel mills, and copper mines. Those don't scal…

I had a friend who believed that large cities should be abolished and society should be made agrarian by law. She believed that that way we would have more free time to pursue our intellectual curiosities, unburdened by our dependence on and duty to urban society. I was like... I'm descended from farm folk. My mom grew up in a farmhouse that had no television and not even indoor plumbing for the first few years of he…

You have people right on this website who are convinced medieval peasants lived a life of leisure and worked 100 days a year.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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Title is unrelated to content. If you want "a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools" read "Walkaway", by Cory Doctorow. This is the 3D printer fantasy future, where everything can be made easily with small and easily available high-tech equipment. It sort of works in the story. But in reality, 3D printers aren't that good. Somewhere, you need aluminum smelters, steel mills, and copper mines. Those don't scal…

> Those don't scale down well to desktop size.

If you're going to smelt aluminium on your desktop you're definitely going to want three phase power into your house, and probably some sort of asbestos tile to put it on.

Probably quite a good extractor fan too, Shake'n'Vac isn't going to shift that odour.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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This makes me think back to Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. Whether or not you agree with all his points I do think he has one very good point that’s worth reflecting on: the way we currently live is not the only way to live. I think another important point to take away from the book is that even if we are not currently on the right path, agriculture and civilization are not inherently exclusive to living in such a way that…

I think that's pretty blatantly obvious there are other ways to live. After all, there are still millions of people surviving on subsistence agriculture in fairly primitive conditions. Still people leading mostly-pastoral lifestyles herding animals. Still millions living in small isolated villages with few modern amenities. Still millions of people living in crowded dirty cities and working in dangerous factories for…

And the other key theme of the book is that our current trajectory is seemingly heading us straight toward ecological disaster, regardless of how comfortable our current way of life might be.

Besides, his point is not that we need to return to barely living off the land, but to live with the land and with nature, not against it.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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...this commenter has never worked in manufacturing or studied materials science, and it shows. Or, I'd wager, dropped a 3D printed resin part on a hard floor and watched it shatter like glass.

I-beam made from PLA with 3D belt printer.[1] Can be looked at. I-beam made from steel with rolling mill.[2] Can hold up large building. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-h-ErqrEg [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfaqrVFnQBQ

yup. haha.

imagine 3d-printing a TEU. Or a container hauler.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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Title is unrelated to content. If you want "a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools" read "Walkaway", by Cory Doctorow. This is the 3D printer fantasy future, where everything can be made easily with small and easily available high-tech equipment. It sort of works in the story. But in reality, 3D printers aren't that good. Somewhere, you need aluminum smelters, steel mills, and copper mines. Those don't scal…

I'd beg to differ, I think the idea of reaching pastoral life in suburbia comes down to one's personal perception, I live in suburbia and I for the most part from the outside in would have everything the average person would like for a comfortable life but I am actively looking to scale, happiness comes from retaking ones independence and reducing reliance on the services provided in the comfort of suburbia, supermarkets, grid power etc.

Maintenance is a concern yes, but self perpetuating finances = free time and to quote Socrates - It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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> Not sure from the page but I rode one coal powered steam train in Poland for “fun” and i wish i never did. It was an open carriage trip in koszalin and the pollution it did was such that coal particles rained on everyone. It was awful and I don’t get the nostalgia of riding such an obsolete vehicle. I was so outraged about it I told my wife the experience was like trying to experience a big pre industrial city with…

The title says hunter gatherers. That's totally different from life 150 years ago. It's even different from the medieval or agrarian iron age times.

>> The title says hunter gatherers.

Right, and also adds "with space age tools".

Re: What we want is a hunter gatherer lifestyle with space age tools (2022)

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Have you spent lots of time out in the wilderness before? Those you describe aren’t pleasant, but you learn to accept and deal with. I’m sure the are all kinds of unpleasantness in a “civilized” lifestyle that you no longer even notice because you’re just so used to accommodating them: traffic noise, pollution, artificial light, etc. I once spent a week hiking and camping in a rain forest. The first day I was trying…

> in a “civilized” lifestyle that you no longer even notice because you’re just so used to accommodating them: traffic noise, pollution, artificial light, etc. But I don't have any of those for there's a whole spectrum between "go one week hiking" and "live in a city".

Ah, you must live in Paradise! Really though, I'm sure there are some drawbacks in your living arrangement that you have adapted to. Nothing is perfect.
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