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Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by estearum »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #82
bluefirebrand wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are gradients to this It would be hard for me to vote against indoor plumbing if that was needed to save the planet I would vote against "Same Day Delivery" in a heartbeat though, if it helped

Best the corresponding parties can do is banning plastic straws (no impact but feels great) and massive bureaucratic hurdles for air conditioning in private homes (because it's an "unnecessary luxury" and if your apartment is unbearably hot during a heat wave where the temperature doesn't drop below 25 even at night, you're just not correctly using shades and windows).

Not really. We've made significant enough progress on this issue to prove that policy-driven progress is in fact possible.

This type of cynicism is both unwarranted and unhelpful.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by megnaro »

acwan93 wrote: post #87
amluto wrote: post #50

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> All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. I think that, if people who believe in climate change want to be convincing, it would be more effective to avoid blaming specific instances of weather on climate change without strong justification. Especially when the weather isn’t even abnormal. Los Angeles, especially inland and in the valley, is hot in the summer. It was hot in the summer 30 years ago and it’s still hot in…

You’re correct that LA is usually hot (95F+) this time of year, but the humidity is what’s abnormal. The dew point in Disneyland was higher than in Disney World yesterday due to a tropical storm that dissipated west of the LA basin. More tropical storms are approaching LA and that’s increasing humidity is why it’s sweltering.

A separate LA Times article explained that the humidity is due to lingering effects of a recent hurricane/tropical storm.

"Forecasters attributed the punishing humidity to the remnants of Tropical Storm Iselle moving over the state, as well as unusually warm ocean temperatures due to a combination of a months-long marine heat wave, a powerful El Niño and climate change.

"Dew points in the Los Angeles Basin have been “really high,” hovering around 70 degrees in many places, with a few coastal areas like Redondo Beach and Torrance reaching a dew point of 73 to 75 on Friday, said Ryan Kittell, meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Oxnard. The metric measures the moisture content in the air."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2026-08-28/forget-f...

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by tito »

mdgrech23 wrote: post #28
uncomputation wrote: post #5

Maybe I am pessimistic but it seems no one cares about climate change these days. All of Los Angeles is sweltering now. Just pointing fingers and dropping individual names while the world continues to heat slowly. Any suggestions to get involved are welcome, I don’t want to be just a complainer.

I'll go against the grain but our capitalist way of life is totally incompatible with solving climate change. Likewise one country can't solve this problem alone. You need the whole world on board. I truly think the only real solution is a one world government truly working toward for the betterment of the planet and it's occupants. We all know that ain't ever gonna happen though so we're hosed.

I've had this thought too. And when I think about it in the big picture way, I don't think it doesn't need to be all that hard to solve. It's not like we're talking about like, you know, some huge slice of GDP or something. Yes, the price of fossil fuels effectively doubles. But we can create lots of jobs to make solar and nuclear and all these other solutions in the meantime.

An economy that seizes climate solutions can zoom ahead in terms of innovation, manufacturing, and enforcement. The changing climate is one of the biggest economic opportunities we've ever seen in human history, but somehow we've convinced ourselves that it's not only the worst non-opportunity ever but somehow would break capitalism. The richest man on the planet makes electric cars.

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by wolvoleo »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #83
wolvoleo wrote: post #70

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Why would investing in green tech make you poor? That's what's wrong with that argument. Moving away from fossil fuels is cheaper. Green energy is very cheap, it just misses a base load component right now. It's just that the people benefiting are different ones. And those people are going to lose sooner or later anyway, because in addition to climate change, fossil fuels are also finite. The only reason trump is on…

The optimal strategy for short term oligarchic revenue maximisation is a mixed strategy of mostly fossil fuels with some green tech. The optimal strategy for long term biosphere habitability is a mixed strategy of mostly green tech with a tiny amount of fossil fuels exclusively for those metal smelting roles where arc furnaces and biofuels are unsuitable. Investment portfolios dominated by technology that lifts every…

Less profitable doesn't mean becoming poor. Far from it.

And oligarchs have kids too, don't they want them to live in a world worth living in?

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

Discussions:

Oceans hit highest temperature on record

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49424606

Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49313428

Climate change is strengthening El Niño, coral records suggest

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49475404

The Strongest El Niño Ever Forecast and the Hunger It Will Leave Behind

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49281960

Re: Highest-ever ocean temperature measured as powerful El Niño forms

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Post by sarchertech »

taneq wrote: post #85
sarchertech wrote: post #61

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> I'm already paying 10-times more for water usage than I spend on gas Are you irrigating an enormous yard?

Or driving a small, economical car?

Even if you’re driving a Prius and getting 50mpg, if you’re “driving all the time” you’re spending at least $100 a month in gas. There’s nowhere in the country where a water bill is $1000 a month unless you’re doing a lot of irrigation.

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Post by defrost »

taneq wrote: post #88
tito wrote: post #81

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Come join our El Niño session on Wednesday with Stripe's climate scientist Zeke Hausfather: https://luma.com/tu0uvbx1 We'll talk climate science, impacts, and what we can do to avert the worst impacts of the worst El Niño in human history.

It’s a thing you can avert? Or do you mean one in the far future which we might avert by reducing carbon emissions now?

They appear (I skimmed) to be investing in all any feasible ideas to capture CO2 from the air - this is a good thing.

The numbers are daunting and the returns are scant, but the effort is one that should be made.

The upside is I saw little sign of Gorgan LNG style Carbon Capture; where a massive source of CO2 greenwashes releasing 100 units of CO2 by stuffing 1 unit back in the hole it came from.

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Post by binoct »

wolvoleo wrote: post #70
OgsyedIE wrote: post #27

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There's also a prisoner's dilemma situation. Suppose you're some wealthy media magnate promoting culture war distractions from your portfolio of asset strippers and polluters, thinking of defecting to team decency. That hypothetical you can look around at the rest of the global political class and see that the rest of the establishment will destroy the livability of the biosphere whether that hypothetical you starts…

Why would investing in green tech make you poor? That's what's wrong with that argument. Moving away from fossil fuels is cheaper. Green energy is very cheap, it just misses a base load component right now. It's just that the people benefiting are different ones. And those people are going to lose sooner or later anyway, because in addition to climate change, fossil fuels are also finite. The only reason trump is on…

> it just misses a base load component right now.

I’m sympathetic to the intent of your argument, but man, that’s a hallava gotcha there. Other than nuclear there isn’t a compelling story for a base load source of green energy. And all the new-gen nuclear tech is a long shot for safe, cost efficient, rapid scaling right now.

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