Maybe's its a problem with the hosting at novita.ai but I didn't got much useful out of this model as a coding agent.
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#103Maybe's its a problem with the hosting at novita.ai but I didn't got much useful out of this model as a coding agent.
Novita does not offer Hy4-preview on either OpenRouter or their own model list. Maybe you confused it with Hy3.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the exact same type of comment I heard about computer hardware upgrades for three decades in a row. “Very few people actually require a Pentium workstation, a 486 is perfectly adequate for the majority” The logical fallacy is taking an extant distribution of “product capability” that is priced to fit what the market will bear and assuming the “next upgrade” simply tacks on a little bit more to the right hand…
Intel didn't just surf some natural wave of demand for higher power personal computers. Intel found new needs for powerful PCs, especially in gaming, and they put a lot of marketing and industry relations dollars behind PC gaming. In other words. PC users didn't figure out that they could buy super powerful PCs and play games on them, that was a carefully managed market transition. What is going to do the same for LL…
> Intel found new needs for powerful PCs
It wasn't "Intel" that found new uses for PCs, it was everybody who found new uses for them. Billions of people and millions of companies found uses for "more computer power".
It was only the journalists with limited imaginations (and no industry experience) who struggled to come up with potential uses.
> carefully managed market transition.
You make it sound like a conspiracy! It wasn't. It was simple capitalist competition. If Intel hadn't improved their products, their competitors would have left them behind.
That very nearly happened ten years ago because Intel become stuck on the 14nm process and their products stagnated while Apple, ARM, and AMD lapped them repeatedly.
> What is going to do the same for LLMs?
Everybody.
Are you saying that unless you're "carefully managed" by some third-party, you could not find any use for "unlimited intelligence on tap"?
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#106> [...] Let's maybe add a helmet? It could improve riding theme, but may obscure head. Maybe a small cycling cap or helmet? The user didn't ask; can add red helmet? Might be cute. But pelican with big beak; a helmet might obscure. Better maybe no. > Maybe add sunglasses? no. > Maybe add water? no. https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
> Let's maybe add comments? The final code can have comments. Fine.
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#107> [...] Let's maybe add a helmet? It could improve riding theme, but may obscure head. Maybe a small cycling cap or helmet? The user didn't ask; can add red helmet? Might be cute. But pelican with big beak; a helmet might obscure. Better maybe no. > Maybe add sunglasses? no. > Maybe add water? no. https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
Is the broken English an optimization or a byproduct of the model being developed in China?
qwen3.8-flash-next also 'thinks' like this in its thinking stage before output, watching it 'think' in opencode, but it produces syntax correct and grammatically correct code comments, changelogs and readme type files.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
When GPT-5.6-sol's reasoning traces were leaked, they also used "caveman speak". Definitely a token efficiency optimization
I can't help but imagine agents using caveman speak sometimes start behaving in a stereotypically caveman manner, even if it's subtle. Is there a chance the agent does less reasoning because of it?
some people made a 'caveman' speak qwen as a joke
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#109> [...] Let's maybe add a helmet? It could improve riding theme, but may obscure head. Maybe a small cycling cap or helmet? The user didn't ask; can add red helmet? Might be cute. But pelican with big beak; a helmet might obscure. Better maybe no. > Maybe add sunglasses? no. > Maybe add water? no. https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
This is actually pretty good!
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#110> [...] Let's maybe add a helmet? It could improve riding theme, but may obscure head. Maybe a small cycling cap or helmet? The user didn't ask; can add red helmet? Might be cute. But pelican with big beak; a helmet might obscure. Better maybe no. > Maybe add sunglasses? no. > Maybe add water? no. https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
No one’s talking about how good the final product is.
Edit: someone else commented that as I was typing this, lol.