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You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by maleldil »

samrus wrote: post #99
nonethewiser wrote: post #66

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Yeah but don't tobacco control advocates want to kill the tobacco industry? We don't want to kill the tech industry - surely the tech industry's pain is widely felt sometimes.

They dont want to kill the industry, they want consumers to be informed of the risks and stakes. If that makes consumers not want to consume tobacco then tough luck but the tobacco industry cant be allowed to operate based on lies and misdirection Same goes for data harvesting in tech

The UK is banning the sale of tobacco to people born on or after 1 January 2009 entirely. That will eventually kill the industry (which is good).

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by orwin »

xg15 wrote: post #112
orwin wrote: post #32

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Yes. Basically the shop they used to make their website are shit, with shit incentives.

I remember, during the german Heat Pump Saga (the Ampel government passing legislation that effectively outlawed installation of new oil and gas heaters and tried to move everyone to heat pumps), there was a minor subplot where journalists found out that the Green party themselves couldn't successfully install a heat pump in their headquarters. So in the interest of legitimacy, the EU institutions should really fix t…

I won't shittalk much, but i had to "lobby" around the time GDPR was in the work, probably right after the vote, but before it was implemented (it was more to discuss about hosting health data, HDS in french), and it came up because the CNIL guys were here too (french watchdog tasked to implement most of GDPR in france. Basically EU draft laws, but each country decide how they apply). While the technical guy were extremely competent (surprisingly so, i think he might one of the 3 engineer i've discussed with who impressed me the most, and i've talked with someone who worked on netscape and firefox in the 90s, as well as the man behind scikit-learn). i got the distinct impression that no one understood the law, even (very surprisingly also) lawyers, and it felt really, really weird. Also they didn't seems to understand why it was important (part of our speech was based on the GDPR and the reason it existed)

In the end i think Azure got to host of all French health data a year later despite the lobbying. Maybe with how the US look with Trump at the helm it will change (to be clear, it was a really weird lobbying in any case, our project was to test pseudonymation algorithms (and probably others) made by our researchers on our platform before selling them to scaleway or OVH depending on who won the project)

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Post by beej71 »

yencabulator wrote: post #158
beej71 wrote: post #132

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Do you have an example of a maliciously-complying website? Virtually all remotely popular websites deliberately use unnecessary cookies.

Wanting to use unnecessary cookies is their choice, not something a law forced on them. Non-malicious compliance with privacy laws would mean respecting people's privacy.

Maybe I'm ignorant of the gdpr, but does it ban tracking cookies?

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Post by unsupp0rted »

M95D wrote: post #149
apexalpha wrote: post #117

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Yeah: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink Billions of people are getting access to information through it.

Good for them! We, europeans, already have fiber everywhere and unlimited 5G mobile internet for 2 euro/month.

“2 euro/month” is what you pay directly out of pocket. Your taxes pay the rest.

Re: You Know GDPR Is Good Based on Who Hates It

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Post by yencabulator »

beej71 wrote: post #163
yencabulator wrote: post #158

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Wanting to use unnecessary cookies is their choice, not something a law forced on them. Non-malicious compliance with privacy laws would mean respecting people's privacy.

Maybe I'm ignorant of the gdpr, but does it ban tracking cookies?

You might be ignorant on purpose. The law does not mention cookies at all, it says how personal/private information must be handled, and under what conditions collecting such is permissible.

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Post by unsupp0rted »

torlok wrote: post #148
unsupp0rted wrote: post #128

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I've had the bottle cap in my nose multiple times... nobody's tricking me into not liking it. Yes: I have the privilege of living in a developed 21st century world where I don't need to deal with stuff like this. Proud of it. I'm well past being told to eat my vegetables because children in Africa are starving. The solution is to expand the pie for everybody, not to throw our arms up and return to living in caves in…

Nobody's forcing you to buy products in plastic bottles. It would actually be better if you didn't. "Technology and progress" are so far producing mountains of trash and pollution that you're privileged to not have to see, unlike those children in Africa, and other impoverished places where your garbage washes up. You're proud of winning the lottery. Have some self-awareness.

I’m proud of living in a world of comfort that every generation before me has suffered through hell to accomplish.

The solution to children in Africa suffering isn’t me living worse or even me beating myself up for “my privilege”.

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Post by tzs »

scott_w wrote: post #20
throw8484949ii wrote: post #9

US companies like Meta or Google __LOVE__ GDPR. It is quagmire of complicated rules, and small startups will get burried under this quick sand. Large corporations can maintain departments of lawyers, and navigate this legal minefield. Small fines are cost of doing business, bribe that goverment would not force monopolies to spkit! Try to do marketing ad campaign as small eshop owner in EU!

As someone who worked on GDPR compliance just last year, in a company that is deeply affected by it, no, it’s not that complicated.

How about if someone asks for copies of all their data?

I thought that was not complicated, but then there was that post here a while back where someone asked McDonald's for their data.

It included a vast amount of things that the company had inferred from the data. I hadn't realized that would be in scope, and did some Googling on just what has to be included.

According to a few sites I found, and Google's LLM concurred, it is basically everything I have about them, regardless of if I got it from them, a third party, or produced it internally.

Customer service rep sends an email to their supervisor saying the customer won't take reasonable advice and then gets abusive and asking the supervisor how to deal with future calls from them? That should be in the GDPR response (I can redact the names of the rep and supervisor).

I make a list on my computer of customers that I think are exploiting a bug in our billing system to get a lower price, print out that list and assign it to someone to investigate and fix the bug if it exists. That's supposed to be in the GDPR data, if the sites I found are to be believed.

Heck...if some customer calls to update their credit card and calls the wrong number, and leaves a voice mail where they include "my new credit card number is with security code and expiration date ", that's supposed to show up in their GDPR data. (If they call customer support and leave such a message it would go to a number handled by the expensive outsourced customer service system, which has voice transcription software that looks for things like that and deals with it, but the internal phone system used by other departments doesn't so if the wrong number went to some random person in some other department it won't have that automated handling of this).

If that's right than handling a GDPR data request 100% according to the rules would require having some way to search nearly every computer we've got looking for anything concerning any particular customer.

I'm hoping the sites I found and the LLM were wrong and it is not this bad.

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Post by veeti »

dgellow wrote: post #108
veeti wrote: post #84

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I think GDPR is more good than bad, but the author's example of surveillance capitalism is easily repeated on most EU news sites. Visit bild.de and watch the network inspector light up like a christmas tree. Do you really feel your privacy is being respected? The 996 partners banner is just the piss take that supposedly makes this legal.

Bild doesn’t have one bit of respect for their readers, it’s no too surprising. What people are missing is that before GDPR the threat of sharing data with 3rd party wasn’t seen as serious by most of the population. GDPR establishes clear rights people have, and a framework for companies to work in this new space, which changed the assumptions people have regarding their own data and privacy, in a positive way. Peopl…

There is nothing specific to Bild about it, these practices are codified by pretty much the entire media industry through IAB TCF.

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Post by throw8484949ii »

scott_w wrote: post #159
throw8484949ii wrote: post #153

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You said "shady shit"! Deleting some data a few days/weeks or months latter too late is not "shady shit"! You obviously have no idea how business here works! Some gov offical will tell you to delete data for GDPR. Some other gov offical will ask for the same data latter, to prove tax records or people complied with vacine mandates! You get fined from both sides! Every two years there is a big law reform of some area,…

> You said "shady shit"! Look, I don’t think English is your first language, so I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but it’s getting really tiring having to explain basic things like “context” to you. I’m obviously meaning in the context of data governance. I’m accusing you of selling customer data to unscrupulous characters, to be precise. > You obviously have no idea how business here works! Some gov of…

> The official tells you, you do it, they say “thank you.”

> or just leave to a sane country

So first you tell me to blindly trust officals, now i should leave country! Great advice!

> That’s not the GDPR

GDPR is drafted by EU. They went way too far, and made it imcompatible with local laws!

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Post by gls2ro »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #164
M95D wrote: post #149

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Good for them! We, europeans, already have fiber everywhere and unlimited 5G mobile internet for 2 euro/month.

“2 euro/month” is what you pay directly out of pocket. Your taxes pay the rest.

The same goes for landing rockets on the moon. You pay from your taxes.
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