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U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by t-3 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #478
iamnothere wrote: post #45

Everyone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n... If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem. What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?

The picture everyone is missing is voting in November is how this gets resolved. The only way radical authoritarians survive on 30% approval ratings is apathy. Theres no reason to put up with this, the other side of a 70% electorate opposition is prison for the lawless incumbent

A 30% approval rating means ~75-80% of Trump's base is still fully behind him. A two-party system will only very rarely produce figures with over 50% approval, because roughly half of voters disapprove on GP. The apathy of the 40-50% who don't vote is also a product of a system that only allows for two choices and not something to blame the apathetic for. It really makes no difference whether they vote or not, because there are only two choices and neither represents them.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by mafuy »

inigyou wrote: post #631
xboxnolifes wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (If you're opposed to antifascists what does that make you? You cant judge a group by its name. Otherwise, Make America Great Again is great, the National Socialist German Workers' party seems fine, etc.

The word is being used descriptively. Opposing the National Socialist German Worker's Party doesn't mean you oppose socialists, because those aren't socialists. You could have said that a/i isn't antifascist, but you didn't say that.

In the case of antifa, the content and the label are congruent. They are, literally and practically, anti fascist. That's not the case for the NSDAP.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by giov4 »

As from Wikipedia reference to Webster Dictionary in "Definitions of Fascism":

"a: any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition. b: any tendency towards or actual exercise of severe autocratic or dictatorial control (as over others within an organization)"

"rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition" is what this is. As specifically and publicly declared actions against a group defining itself as "anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism".

if this isn't matching fascism oppression against anti-fa then what is it?

additionally as context the short history link with more facts is even clearer:

https://www.inventati.org/who/collective

"After 2005 we have been constantly pestered by prosecutors and security forces (and even by the Vatican! [4]) asking us to hand over users’ data and identities and we are proud to say we were always able to answer: we are sorry, but we do not have them.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by Amezarak »

cogman10 wrote: post #620
Amezarak wrote: post #493

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> Several people got decades in jail because the FBI successfully convinced a jury that setting off fireworks near a detention center on the 4th of july was actually detonating bombs. And that because one idiot brought a gun and shot it, they are all guilty. The USG has a somewhat different description of events, and appears to have had video that they showed a jury. > The defendants dressed in “black bloc”—dark clot…

> and he actually shot a police officer during their "protest." He did not, he shot at an officer and missed. He was also the only one of the protestors that shot.

You dispute that the officer was shot in the neck?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by VorpalWay »

impossiblefork wrote: post #528
tptacek wrote: post #458

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Again: in every system there's always some kind of sleuthing you could do to attempt to identify a user. That's not the legal standard. The complaint against A/I is that they knowingly and deliberately assisted the PKK.

No. With dummy messages you are guaranteed that traffic analysis will not be possible. Because you connect to the network, then start sending messages to everybody continuously, a message every second, or every ten seconds, or every 100 seconds, you will, every second, or every ten seconds, or 100 seconds, be able to send a message to whoever you want, and you will not be distinguished in any way from the other netwo…

A problem with sending dummy messages on something like Signal, is that waking up phones unnecessarily is really bad for battery life. It also doesn't work for the voice/video call feature, since that needs to be realtime.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by cogman10 »

Amezarak wrote: post #724
cogman10 wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and he actually shot a police officer during their "protest." He did not, he shot at an officer and missed. He was also the only one of the protestors that shot.

You dispute that the officer was shot in the neck?

Yes, because no evidence of the injury was presented at trial other than the officer's testimony.

If he was shot in the neck, why didn't the prosecution show a photo of the wound? Why are his neck and shoulder injuries a privacy concern?

What they proved is that shots were fired and that the officer involved was fine and walking around the scene after the shooting. When he said "I'm hit" another officer checked on video and said "your good your good your good".

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by phoghed »

0dayz wrote: post #693
SmashDan wrote: post #584

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The Pirate Bay has had legal issues, been raided and taken down in the past. Has 4chan has any issues like this?

It got raided once way back.

That’s obviously when they delivered the honey, the plot thickens

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by Fnoord »

dev1ycan wrote: post #557
iamnothere wrote: post #45

Everyone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n... If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem. What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?

Signal is a honeypot

Haha, no, EncroChat and Anom were. The official clients (Android and iOS) which use it contain known vulnerabilities.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by 2legit2quit »

aliasxneo wrote: post #586
2legit2quit wrote: post #540

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>I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?

Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?

> Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?

Pointing out the solipsism of your take with a single "thing" was enough to demonstrate your myopic world view, I thought, however we can expound upon that further by covering them all.

Would you care to address the first "thing", before we continue on?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by pezezin »

includenotfound wrote: post #337
viccis wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US govt is trying to brand "antifascism" as a terrorist ideology. They host antifa stuff.

Antifa is a terrorist organization. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi... It follows that those hosting them are chased

Antifa is as much of an organization as Anonymous.
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