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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Are we going after free speech now?

The USA has never had free speech. There's not one time in its history when the government wasn't trying to force people it disagreed with to shut up.

Of course, Hacker News evidently can't fathom this basic truth.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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we've seen several websites that do not break US law get evicted by registrars, ISPs, DDoS protection services, and other Internet landlords. 4chan miraculously survived multiple mass hysteria periods of the past decade without (iirc) any major disruptions. same as Russian 2ch -- miraculously untouched by Russia's rapid North Koreaization even though its /pol/ is overwhelmingly anti-regime.

The pirate bay is still up despite being taken down, is this now also a honeypot?

Is the current pirate bay even still the original, or just a mirror or someone trying to mimic the old one?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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You may be unaware, but the EU, India, and China have also engaged in their own versions of economically-pressured internet presence takedowns of international activists and dissidents they label subversive. The degree differs according to leverage and their constitutional reasoning, but there is no spirit of opposition to this type of policy if that’s what you’re imagining.

Yep. People have had their homes raided in Germany for hosting online content about the Israeli genocide of Palestine. You don't get any warning - the police just show up and take all electronic devices, no exceptions.

People have had their homes raided in Germany and electronics seized for calling politicians dicks on Twitter or Facebook.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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> Our financial strategy relies exclusively on voluntary donations. That is not a sustainable strategy in the long term. Sure after this news they will get lots of donations, but long term it is not something that is realistic. Since they are now "sanctioned" by the US you cannot legally donate to them even if you wanted to...*[0] [0] *Unless you now know why this collective needs crypto more than ever.

The capitalist mind cannot comprehend this

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Yep. People have had their homes raided in Germany for hosting online content about the Israeli genocide of Palestine. You don't get any warning - the police just show up and take all electronic devices, no exceptions.

People have had their homes raided in Germany and electronics seized for calling politicians dicks on Twitter or Facebook.

That's actually a crime though and everyone knows it's a crime.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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> Not sure what to make of this. What was their rate of last minute cancellations? I suspect people in that circle frequently change plans, sometimes at the last minute, so having changed plans on that day would be unremarkable had that day itself been unremarkable. Not to mention the first plane hit at at 8:46 am. Looking at details, none of these seem remarkable, and wouldn't have been remembered or written about i…

If celebrities keep their appointments say 80% of the time, then for every near miss, there should be four who actually died. Are there?

Well Lutnick's brother for one.

But Wikipedia has a list of notable people who died [1]. David Angel, an Emmy winning TV writer and producer. Garnet Bailey, an acomplished hockey player. Carolyn Beug who directed the award winning music video for Van Halen's Right Now. William E. Caswell, a prominent physicist. Charles Edward Jones, an astronaut. Daniel Lewin, co-founder of Akamai. Etc. You can read the list and come to your own conclusions.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_September_2001

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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8chan's /pol/ wasn't any different than 4chan's. the reason why the 4 is tolerated but the 8 got axed is that 4 is a honeypot and 8 wasn't.

> the reason why the 4 is tolerated but the 8 got axed is that 4 is a honeypot and 8 wasn't That's certainly a take. My personal take is that 4chan actually complies with the US laws, specifically the ones around promptly removing+reporting any illegal content that the US cares about (e.g., terrorism threats/CSAM/etc.), and 8chan doesn't. Out of curiosity, what makes you consider 4chan to be a honeypot, as opposed to…

It's was mostly a slightly more edgy 4chan with actually some more varied boards and wider range of political views (/leftypol/) was a thing If I remember. So mostly dumb teens and later the whole Q-Anon mentally ill boomers who took over once the board was brought by one of them much to displeasure of the edge teens. In short if that is a threat to a government and a society it's a weak government and society, comparing it to Al-Qaeda or some kind of comparable threat to anything government or nation is crazy.

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>And Epstein friends Lutnick, Larry Silverstein, Sarah Ferguson and Michael Jackson all had appointments in the WTC on 9/11 and all canceled last minute. I looked into this so I could call you out for spreading disinformation. Except what I found was that this statement is factually accurate as far as I can tell. Each person had their own separate story as to why they didn't go that day. Huh. Not sure what to make of…

Perhaps we should compare how many famous people died, and how many near missed. I'm not great at stats but I'm guessing if it was all near misses that would be pretty insane, suggesting somehow they all got the idea to cancel on that day whereas regular Joes didn't get the memo. Whereas if it was like 80% then yea probably attributable to "a busy schedule".

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>I'm not taking those definitions literally Given that fascism had quite the bloodied history in Italy (see: Mussolini), and we're talking about a group literally based in Italy, why wouldn't you? Is it because you were unaware of said history in Italy and never experienced fascism first-hand, yourself?

Why did you pick one thing on the list and ignore all of the others?

Very probably because he took all the others for granted and thought that only the one he got explicit about was that which some may perceive as odd.

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24 was one of the highest rated shows on television, won 20 Emmy awards and was nominated for 68. People just like torturing and killing terrorists. Not just Americans either—it’s a popular Bollywood trope as well.

Show me someone who "likes torturing" and I'll show you someone who's a social media algorithm away from being MAGA or the local equivalent. "Right wing" is the correct term. Briefly checking your comment history, it's the correct term for you as well, so what's the issue? You don't want to admit it?

Highly doubt, perhaps you're just biased due to your own beliefs. Anyway the left/right divide is really silly -- it mixes economic and political orientation. National socialism would be left because socialism and so my god, Mr moustache man really liked beating bad guys. Alright you can argue about this, then what about the bad guys he hated most, most notably the other Mr moustache, Stalin? Communism surely is very left by today's standard, and guess what -- they enjoyed beating bad guys. Both sides of the spectrum literally call for violent revolution all the time.

Who doesn't like beating up bad people? It's in children's fairytale. Getting what you deserve is codified in human moral ideals since like probably cavemen times and movies today still have this theme.

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