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U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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> Nobody In the USA - the consequences should be only related to USA pertinent actors. The newspapers in Italy say, "there is no judgement against them in Italy".

If Italy doesn't shut down their services, the Italy itself will be shut out of SWIFT.

> Italy itself will be

Because of a decision from the USA administration? ?!

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Well, the State Dept is anything but vague about its argument: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... "The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure. The group has become a key node in a transnational campaign by violent and criminal far-l…

So the argument is that it's a communication platform? With such "specifically designed" tools to enable "terrorist activity", such as "encrypted messaging" and other dual-use technologies such as: "a website", "an email".

With such strong proof as "A far-left extremist media group ... relies on A/I ... to publish official communiqués and calls to action for [various organizations]" This is what we in the business call a direct proof A/I materially supports Hezbollah terrorist actions. Clear direct link, simply because all alternate explanations are impossible. Everyone is happy that americans saved the day, again!

State Dept so in the clear that in this "This same group was recently cited in a federal criminal complaint against a domestic terrorist who was sentenced to 19 years in prison for targeting a federal building and police car with improvised explosive devices." they don't name the group nor the "terrorist" because if one would check, improvised explosive device would turn out to be a molotov.

So Casey Goonan throws molotov at a police car -> Abolition Media (the unnamed group) publishes some claims about the attack -> A/I, a comm platform provider on another continent now suddenly provides "material support for violent extremism" in the US, just because Abolition Media used its blog infra. Cool story. Despite both links being tenous at best.

And such it will be with lot of other claims in there, given that US is led by absolute clauns and psychos currently.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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> Lmao you've literally went in there because of your blind anti-communist behaviour after coup-ing your own "allies" of South Vietnam Anti-communism was and still is highly important and critical. Comintern was aiming to conquer the Earth with global communism. It was an open objective and part of what caused World War 2. The Soviet Union has caused more death on this planet as a result of its communist expansion th…

> Anti-communism was and still is highly important and critical. McCarthyism was the pinnacle of the anti-communism movement. How did that turn out, again? > It was an open objective and part of what caused World War 2 I'm pretty sure Germany invading other countries was the cause of World War 2. I don't see how you can lump "dang commies were spreading, so we had to go fight 'em" in as a justification, when there wa…

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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post #319

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Anyone that politically aligns with them. They say that explicitly: > We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism They don't receive any money for this. It's 100% volunteer services.

Then they are an activist group, not an “infrastructure provider” as claimed elsewhere in this thread, and holding them responsible for what their members do with the accounts they give them seems entirely fair.

being selective about who you provide free services to makes you an activist group?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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post #275

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8chan's /pol/ wasn't any different than 4chan's. the reason why the 4 is tolerated but the 8 got axed is that 4 is a honeypot and 8 wasn't.

1. It is extremely likely neither 8chan /pol/ nor 4chan /pol/ were or are honeypots. 2. Untrue. I heavily used both (not as a right-winger; just as a decades-long anonymous imageboard user who sometimes finds it fun to rile people up in /pol/ boards). 8chan's was a lot worse and was shut down for a reason.

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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>...then* Italy itself will be shut out of SWIFT. SWIFT is headquartered in Belgium. Only 2 banks out of the total 24 on the board of directors is US banks. Unless there's a hostile takeover of the SWIFT organisation by the US, I think this is a bit of a stretch. (Plot-twist: Italy is on the board of directors.)

SWIFT abides by international law and local laws. Including those against processing money transfer requests for terrorist organizations like A/I.

> SWIFT abides by international law and local laws. Including those against processing money transfer requests for terrorist organizations like A/I.

A US sanction is neither a local (to all of SWIFT) or international law. The question still stands.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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The article is quite long, but these two give a brief idea of what is going on: a) According to that article, what it seems they are about: > Its manifesto describes the project in explicitly political terms. A/I is antifascist, anti-capitalist and antimilitarist. It promotes free software, encryption, pseudonymity and the independent circulation of knowledge and cultural work. It reserves its limited, volunteer-run…

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No, it doesn't. That there are different words for it should be a hint it's different things.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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My question now is whether European hosting providers sprouting up in the face of the US CLOUD act will step up to provide those services.

Do you think many banks worldwide would enjoy declaring themselves the enemies of the US government in order to assist left-wing lunatics?

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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MSNBC is far left? Next you'll tell me Joe Biden is a Maoist.

MSNBC is as far left as Fox news is far right.

There is much farther left than left-libs. The U.S. doesn't get anywhere near as left as it goes. MSNBC is center-left, at most. This is a very right wing country.
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