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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by expedition32 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #258
bobthepanda wrote: post #96

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An interesting feature of Trump 2.0 is that his party has essentially entirely keeled over. Presidents are not historically all powerful within their own parties and the nature of the big tent systems means usually it is fairly difficult to get agreement on everything within a party without some compromise. Trump has managed to defang everybody else in the GOP.

> An interesting feature of Trump 2.0 is that his party has essentially entirely keeled over. The people who called it a cult were basically right. Trump has overwhelming control over republican voters and has proven he can easily end the careers of republican politicians who oppose him. I do not recall a single politician of either party in my lifetime who has held this level of uncritical support. It will be fascin…

US politicians are all millionaires with excellent resumes.

They have literally no excuse to be this cowardly. They will still be alive and rich if they go against Trump.

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Post by gmoot »

shimman wrote: post #386
XorNot wrote: post #378

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The current administration is the final nail in the coffin of presidential-style governments versus the parliamentary system. Separating the legislature and the executive has no useful purpose: if the president is going to defacto enact law should be handled by the legislature, then there's no reason they shouldn't just be the head of the legislature and forced to actually whip the votes to do so.

The US president was always designed to be like this. It's like people are deliberately forgetting anti-federalists were not only a thing, they warned about these exact same problems over 200 years ago.

Well, yes and no. The remedies are impeachment and electoral accountability. Both of which have broken down in this era of extreme partisanship.

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Post by _3u10 »

qlte wrote: post #276
pvab3 wrote: post #271

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It happens in a lot of ways. People call things violence, terrorism, matters of public health, or war to justify whatever it is they want.

No, this isn't just an overused rhetorical device like all politicians do, those examples are the flimsy legal argument the Trump Admin uses in court, frequently as justification to break the actual letter of the law.

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by terribleperson »

XorNot wrote: post #378
claytongulick wrote: post #274

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Congress ceding it's authority to the executive branch is an issue of national concern, has been going on for decades, and is definitely not limited to one specific party [1], though I do agree that the current administration has been testing the limits of executive power more than any other that I can recall in my lifetime. [1] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/its-...

The current administration is the final nail in the coffin of presidential-style governments versus the parliamentary system. Separating the legislature and the executive has no useful purpose: if the president is going to defacto enact law should be handled by the legislature, then there's no reason they shouldn't just be the head of the legislature and forced to actually whip the votes to do so.

I actually lean a little differently, though maybe it's the same thing in a different shape.

Since modern government seems to require a large bureaucratic apparatus to function, I think it should be its own branch with no single head - or put another way, all bodies established by the legislature should be independent from each other, the executive, and the legislature. This way, all power the legislature grants to a body doesn't acrue to the presidency, and the collective powers of these bodies don't acrue to a single person or group. The president would still have a suite of powers, but they wouldn't automatically expand - the president would only have whatever control over these bodies the legislature chooses to grant. Of course, if the legislature wants to exercise any power over these bodies once they've established them, they would have to do so through the usual legislative process, and it would still be subject to presidential veto.

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Post by msandford »

_3u10 wrote: post #389
superxpro12 wrote: post #247

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National security excuses enjoy widespread bipartisan support. Want to execute a citizen without trial? National security. Want to execute his child without trial? National security.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

tremon wrote: post #349
seizethecheese wrote: post #342

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"In the 40s" and "in the 1860s" here are obfuscations of "during WWII" and "during the civil war". Extraordinary actions in the name of national security during a literal civil war or during a time of total war are to be expected. The comparison to other times is not meaningful.

Isn't this exactly what the war on terror was for? To always be able to claim that the US is currently at war?

> Isn't this exactly what the war on terror was for? To always be able to claim that the US is currently at war?

No, obviously not. That would have been pointless; the US was at war anyway. The US is always at war.

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Post by jonas21 »

andrewla wrote: post #187

I think this both overstates and understates the case. The evidence being weak does not invalidate the decision; as the court notes, the government gets substantial deference on matters of national security. The invalidation comes from the fact that this is clearly retaliatory behavior for speech; and the evidence for this is fairly strong since the administration has made public statements to that effect. The eviden…

Well, I guess it's good that corporations have free speech protections under the First Amendment. I often see it argued here that they shouldn't.

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Post by jacobolus »

ecocentrik wrote: post #270
superxpro12 wrote: post #247

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Politics is frequently a game of semantic drift. The application of labels with unclear meaning to further dilute meaning or extend it for the purpose of engagement, legal reclassification... it's not engineering and you can't expect well defined terms from people who want power without accountability.

Politics doesn't work if a significant part of the leadership is constantly acting in bad faith, and behaving essentially sociopathically.

Voters' and citizens' (and some judges') willingness to support sociopathic behavior by leaders is a profound failing at their basic social duties, and is deeply shameful.

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Post by nl »

IAmBroom wrote: post #200
nl wrote: post #115

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Labor costs are orders of magnitude more than costs added by environmental or labor standards. The average hourly rate in the US is $42.50. In Vietnam is is $6.30, in the Philippines it is $5.40[1] These aren't people living in poverty - they live well. OTOH environmental legislation costs are harder to come by, but [2] estimates around 10% in a number of case studies. To be specific, that would mean US cost would be…

> These aren't people living in poverty - they live well. We're discussing forced child labor, and you conclude "they live well".

No, I'm discussing people living on the average hourly wage.

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Post by hn_acc1 »

jonas21 wrote: post #397
andrewla wrote: post #187

I think this both overstates and understates the case. The evidence being weak does not invalidate the decision; as the court notes, the government gets substantial deference on matters of national security. The invalidation comes from the fact that this is clearly retaliatory behavior for speech; and the evidence for this is fairly strong since the administration has made public statements to that effect. The eviden…

Well, I guess it's good that corporations have free speech protections under the First Amendment. I often see it argued here that they shouldn't.

They arguably have more free speech rights than the average person with citizens united..
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