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Post by fallinghawks »

port11 wrote: post #201
sroussey wrote: post #132

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Twitter is the worst. You go to a page and scroll down and it banners a beater in the app thing and you can’t dismiss it. You either get the app or close the tab. Close the tab.

Reddit might be worse, actually, given their app is mediocre at best and they killed 3rd-party apps.

In the last couple months if you go to their site in a mobile browser (e.g. from search results), after a short scroll down they have this popup demanding you install their app and it completely takes over the screen. I take it as a reminder never to install their app.

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Post by acheron »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #208

"Never let an abuser take you to a secondary location": It's OK to offer an app, but if a site is pushing, pressuring or forcing you to get one, it's almost certainly because they want to do something abusive that they currently can't. Installing an app is a matter of trust; trying to push me to install one against my will is the best way to demonstrate that you should not be trusted. (Interestingly, I've heard a sta…

> Android

I mean if you use Google products it can be assumed you don’t care about privacy anyway.

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Post by inigyou »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #265
inigyou wrote: post #241

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It isn't.

That would be my intuition, but can you elaborate what specifically the app (if not given extra permissions) can do? Assuming the user doesn't change settings, web sites (at least if used semi regularly) can store a persistent cookie, so keeping the user identified is possible with both. The only thing I can think of is regular background pings to track the user through IP geolocation.

Unpermissioned access to all sensors like battery, acceleration. Hardware IDs. Background pings (as you said). Push notifications. Seeing which other apps are installed (maybe, I think that one got locked down). All kinds of fingerprinting.

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Post by goosejuice »

vel0city wrote: post #319
goosejuice wrote: post #282

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The analytics are very different when you have locality built in. You know exactly how many times your menu was scanned in house.. how long they spent on the page etc has much more meaning. An open website mixes traffic. I'm not promoting QR codes here. When I can avoid them I do. It's just that the incentives for owners and consumers are better with them and that's the challenge. > Oh no, they're going to know table…

Do people actually pay through a QR code through a sticker on the table though? I've never seen that nor would I ever do such a thing, because yeah that's obvious. I will scan a QR code on a check the waiter printed for me and pay through that. > You know exactly how many times your menu was scanned in house The vast majority of the time I've seen a QR code stuck to a table its just goosejuicerestaurant.com/menu or h…

> Do people actually pay through a QR code through a sticker on the table though? I've never seen that nor would I ever do such a thing, because yeah that's obvious.

Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

https://pos.toasttab.com/products/mobile-order-and-pay

https://get.chownow.com/blog/restaurant-qr-code/

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Post by inigyou »

mikepurvis wrote: post #326
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #257

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Or use your card on the machine. We had that for a while, but then these stupid parking companies started to get traction.

Yes, just a plain tap-to-pay on the meter itself (or a nearby kiosk) is the obvious solution. I think doing it on the meter is awkward because then they all need to be online, so you're either dealing with individual M2M cards or some kind of local mesh network, not to mention powering them all. The kiosk is another thing to have to install and maintain and power. And doing a plain tap would have no way of inputting…

And what if I don't use Apple Pay or Google Pay?

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Post by sroussey »

mrec wrote: post #316
GJim wrote: post #290

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Without wishing to sound trite, what interesting/insightful/amusing people are still on that platform? Ditto local organisations announcing things: are there any respectable originations (such as local government and sports groups) that still wish to be associated with the cesspool Xitter has become?

Aside from the stupid rename, I haven't noticed it become any more of a cesspool than it was before the takeover, and in some ways it's arguably healthier (less echo-chamber-ey, and community notes can be useful). Again, this is purely talking about desktop web and avoiding the algorithmic feed. I think you're taking a very particular partisan US view and projecting it onto the rest of the world.

The problem now is everything you see if paid for ad. Even the people you follow if they have paid (blue checkmark) to have their posts raise higher in the feed (which is the same as an ad). It is all ads.

I feel like suing every blue checkmark person for deceptive advertising.

Re: “It works better in the app”

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Post by inigyou »

huntertempleman wrote: post #338
inigyou wrote: post #300

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So... Who?

There's plenty of funny people on Twitter, folks like Mr. Chau, Brooks Otterlake, Will Sennet to name a few. For news, Joe Weisenthal and David Weigel are two guys that are pretty hip to current goings-on in economics and politics respectively.

If they were mirrored to another platform, would you follow them there, or do you only follow them to populate specifically your X feed?

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Post by nullc »

I take "It works better in the app" as confirmation that the app steals your data, tracks your location, etc. I wasn't going to run an 'app' in any case, but pushing confirms the decision.

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Post by IndySun »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #28
brk wrote: post #9

At this point the barrier for me to install an app is pretty high. If you're going to needlessly gate certain functions behind an app that work on a desktop browser (or could work in-browser), then I just won't use those functions. If by extension that degrades the value I get from your site, then I just won't use the site, and I won't be contributing to ADU stats you promote to advertisers. Every single company has…

If your app is just a webpage that forces me to use an app just so you can spy on me I just won't use your product. I've switched brokers over it, I swapped banks, I stopped shopping at certain stores. I'm done. The only say I have is in how I spend my money. Those companies won't get any of mine if I can help it. I am the customer, not the product dammit.

Well said. Are there any mainstream apps "website as app" that do not come with the spying/telemetry/doxing (given on a plate by our two choices, ios/android) that almost always comes with them?

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Post by rovr138 »

inigyou wrote: post #331
rovr138 wrote: post #325

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Kindle / Audible.

so, not books.

If you think a book is made by the physical medium, you must think everything in paper is a book. The prose in a book has certain content structure, intent, and writing.

So unless a napkin and a receipt are books, what actually makes something a book is its content structure, intent, and writing. Not the paper it's printed on.

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