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Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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autism researcher here. I have not yet read this study. It will not be the kind of paper that many, including myself, can read quickly and understand. Autism is a multi-disciplined science, so there is a lot to understand. However, my initial sense from reading the abstract is that this paper might be a really really big deal and incredible new resource. General problem statement: Many different genetic variants are…

Out of curiosity, what leads us to treat ASD as an actual single disorder, as opposed to a billion different individual neurological profiles? I'd expect one of the things that makes this difficult, too, is that there's a missing component of the "machine" - the genetics affect the pathways, which affect (maybe?) things like signal propagation or network regulation in the brain, but the actual effect of that is on th…

Note, I am not a doctor, and this is just my current understanding:

To make it easier to get insurance to pay for support. That's a big chunk of it at least. If each of these profiles was a separate diagnosis, it'd be way more common for insurance to deny paying even things like therapy for stuff in the long tail. Rather than have to re-argue again and again that people are worthy of support, the diagnosis broadens to help get that support to all that need it.

This is also true for ADHD, and I'm sure other diagnoses as well.

There's also a layer of making it easier to get kids the academic support they need when that support requires meeting certain officially recognized criteria. "Oh, little Jimmy's psychologist says he has Cognitive Disengagement Syndrome? We don't consider that as needing accommodations." It's already sometimes exceedingly challenging for parents to get schools to actually support their children when it's a commonly understood and accepted diagnoses like ADHD.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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What other reason would there be to have a girlfriend or boyfriend? Financial exploitation?

Love? Emotional connection? Care, empathy, social connection, support, like-mindedness… Lust and control are perhaps the two worst reasons to have a relationship.

Those sound like the excuses people typically make for lust, yes.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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Quick and cheap explanation many use, but not the case. Severe autism is also on the rise, and that doesn't need special telescopes, it's just evident.

Well we used to just let those people die. You know how the medieval family had like 15 children and 4 survived to adulthood? Some of those 11 were severely autistic.

That would be relevant if we compared to the 10th century. We're comparing to the 1960s and 1980s.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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I'm an aspie, and think my "version" of ASD has a large epigenetic component. I think social emotions that develop through childhood and adolescence happen through epigenetic changes that enable and disable sets of genetic material (not necessarily just genes) as the person develops. I think the physical changes that happen with puberty must involve timed epigenetic changes. I think the same thing happens with emotio…

If you don't feel lust, why did you have a girlfriend?

I can remember liking girls from the time I was 5. As with neurotypical pre-pubescent boys I had no sexual interest; holding hands was the only physical contact I desired. Around 11-12, some other boys talking differently about girls, noticing the ones with breasts and other body changes associated with sexual attractiveness.

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> Speaking as someone on the spec, I could never imagine life partnership with an allistic person, nor can I imagine such a person putting up with my deficiencies and quirks. Moreover, quite literally all my friends are also autspec and would never interface with someone who isn't. So I believe ASD is strongly selected for by people with ASD. I am profoundly grateful I grew up in a situation that didn't cause me to s…

Honestly, right back at you. I love my people and they love me. Hope you get to the same. No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe

>No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe

Woosh.. they are describing your mindset. Writing off 98% of the population as potential friends or lovers.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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Is high-level behavior the only criteria for diagnosis? I think the majority of the public would like to better understand how we came into this position. There's nothing wrong with the topic of autism as research, but it's been a political football for so long that there are many reasonable doubts about methodology, diagnosis, and relevance to everyday healthcare. I understand there may be complications with some pa…

> Is high-level behavior the only criteria for diagnosis? Yes, it is: https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-diagnostic-criteria-dsm-... Though, to be more specific, it's even moreso about high-level behavior that has a negative impact , which is highly variable, particularly with environment. I think most would agree that this is extremely messy. But is there a better option? For practical purposes, it makes some sense…

What’s interesting about this is, as you point out, the “negative impact” side of this is extremely situational - many of the most talented engineers I’ve ever worked with were very much on the spectrum, and within the bounds of the work we needed them to do, they were phenomenally better adapted than the more neurotypical members of the team. We accommodated them instead of making them accommodate us and they were absolute superpowers for our team.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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Honestly, right back at you. I love my people and they love me. Hope you get to the same. No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe

>No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe Woosh.. they are describing your mindset. Writing off 98% of the population as potential friends or lovers.

So, you could form an intimate relationship with literally anyone on Earth? Good luck getting through just the first floor of your condo block.

I haven't written anyone off, I just plain don't like most of them. Are you that different? Why do you assume my statement is a priori instead of an empirical observation? Is that how you think about your own preferences, or do you ever just kinda go "huh, I guess I really don't like $thing?"

Love is very, very specific, and I happen to be blessed with it.

Check yourself over for ableist pity.

Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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>No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe Woosh.. they are describing your mindset. Writing off 98% of the population as potential friends or lovers.

So, you could form an intimate relationship with literally anyone on Earth? Good luck getting through just the first floor of your condo block. I haven't written anyone off, I just plain don't like most of them. Are you that different? Why do you assume my statement is a priori instead of an empirical observation? Is that how you think about your own preferences, or do you ever just kinda go "huh, I guess I really do…

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Re: Autism mutations drive neurodevelopmental pathology

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>No one deserves to be alone in the manner you describe Woosh.. they are describing your mindset. Writing off 98% of the population as potential friends or lovers.

So, you could form an intimate relationship with literally anyone on Earth? Good luck getting through just the first floor of your condo block. I haven't written anyone off, I just plain don't like most of them. Are you that different? Why do you assume my statement is a priori instead of an empirical observation? Is that how you think about your own preferences, or do you ever just kinda go "huh, I guess I really do…

Not anyone, but i wouldn't exclude 98% of them, sight unseen. I think it is very closed minded, factually biased, and wrong. Further it sets the stage for a lot of hostility.

> Moreover, quite literally all my friends are also autspec and would never interface with someone who isn't"

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