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The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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Which places have you found? I'm in Canada and figured most of the places are going to suffer more rain falling in the next decades.

Great Lakes area is probably well positioned.

I think they have their fair share of snow storms during the winter because of the vortex coming from the West. The vortex goes down from Alaska because the mountains block it, and then it turns east and goes straight to the lake area.

I live in Montreal, but sometimes I see bitter weathers in Toronto during the winter. Ofc we have our share of pain, but I'm fine with snow -- raining is a huge problem in recent years -- I'm installing a French Drain right now, and hopefully it offers enough protection. However, my house is sitting on top of clay, so that could be a big issue.

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This is true, and, relatedly, is the feeling I have about all of climate change. By the numbers, it won't be close. Of course, this little preview is itself anthropogenic. This horrific disaster is the thinnest tendril of the monster we have unleashed.

Both figuratively and literally, this experience was the tip of the iceberg. Terrifying. People might think I'm crazy, but I'm choosing my retirement location 100% based on resistance to climate change. Local water, too much humidity for massive fires, too cold for insane heatwaves... you get it.

Sea levels haven't changed at Martha's Vineyard. I'd recommend that. Obama moved there in his retirement.

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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Pro tip for people moving north; don't buy land in the valleys around Mt. Rainier. This type of flood (also known as a lahar) has occurred there many times. The mudflows reached the harbor of Tacoma in the past. [0] I expect we'll see at least one new one in our lifetime, as the glaciers have been greatly affected by rising temperatures. [0] https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/mt-rainier-lahar-hazard-ma...

Do you have a source about the Nepalese flood being a Lahar? I've only read that it was caused due to the glacier collapse, which seems like a different thing

Thanks, I see that Lahars are technically associated with volcanoes as another comment noted. They have a variety of causes of which glacial collapse is one. [0] The term jökulhlaup describes a flood originating from a glacier, for example draining of a glacial lake. [1] It now seems the Nepali flood was triggered by a landslide onto a glacier.

As a practical matter the effects are pretty similar. Rainier has had lahars and jökulhlaups in the past.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahar

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6kulhlaup

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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I haven't yet been able to properly internalize the horror of this scene. Maybe because we're exposed to so many images from disaster and action movies/videogames, I got somewhat desensitized to the "graphics", so to speak. It's like my brain is denial. At the same time, I know this is real and a tragedy in an unimaginable scale. Every "little walking figure" is a full human being with dreams, fears and a rich life s…

About 160,000 people die each day if less dramatically.

We all must die, if we're to have progeny. If we lived forever, we could not procreate.

How we die does matter. No one should be murdered. Many would prefer to die peacefully, in their sleep, unaware. Survivors generally prefer that the dead have died peacefully -- it can be disturbing to think about a loved one's painful and scary final moments.

The number that die naturally and daily is not scarier or more upsetting than the much smaller number that die violent deaths daily.

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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Great Lakes area is probably well positioned.

I think they have their fair share of snow storms during the winter because of the vortex coming from the West. The vortex goes down from Alaska because the mountains block it, and then it turns east and goes straight to the lake area. I live in Montreal, but sometimes I see bitter weathers in Toronto during the winter. Ofc we have our share of pain, but I'm fine with snow -- raining is a huge problem in recent years…

Snow can be annoying but is rarely catastrophic.

Somewhat more concerning is that tornado frequency is increasing at a ferocious rate, though most are relatively minor (EF-0 / EF-1).

The total for 2026 to date is 207 ground tracks (as of 27 Aug 2026). The previous full year record was 142, and the historical average (again full-year) is closer to 50.

This has knock-on effects to insurance as well as raising home and landscaping repair (downed trees, etc.).

https://chicago.suntimes.com/environment/2026/08/27/200-torn...>

Flash-flooding is also an increasing concern, though unlike Nepal, water channels tend to be largely flat. Urban creeks, local rivers, retention ponds, and low-lying locations (underpasses, local low spots) may experience flooding, though generally flow strength is low. Basement flooding is the most likely risk.

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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This event has nothing to do with climate change and is pure fear mongering. This is the same adage used by the Governments with the "think about the children" campaigns, its a distraction. A cop out.

Yeah, the event primarily marked by receding glaciers probably has nothing to do with this glacier that weakened to the point of destroying a village. This glacier probably melted many times in the past, especially in such a sudden and violent manner. I'm sure this is in no way anomalous, nor is it something that could predictably result at some point from a warming planet.

(For the detection-impaired.)

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This is true, and, relatedly, is the feeling I have about all of climate change. By the numbers, it won't be close. Of course, this little preview is itself anthropogenic. This horrific disaster is the thinnest tendril of the monster we have unleashed.

Deaths from. atrial disasters are the lowest in history: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/422084/climate-change-nat...

The same argument could have been made about wildfire deaths and damage through the early 2000s in the US.

It turns out that improved forecasting, warning systems, and well-established emergency response, rescue, and recovery systems, can all tamp down risk.

Looking at your article, the subhead reveals a split narrative: "Natural disasters may cost more money, but they claim far fewer lives than in decades past."

What's begun to occur with wildfires is that events are now exceeding the capability of even advanced modern technological societies to address them. Wildfires now regularly enter the urban core, not merely the urban fringe. That's something unheard of in the US from roughly the 1920s, and there wasn't a notable large-scale urban fire until the Oakland Hills firestorm of 1991. Even that was arguably at the wildland-urban interface (WUI). Contrast the Tea Fire (2008, Montecito & Santa Barbara, CA), the Tubbs Fire (2017, Santa Rosa and Sonoma, CA), Camp Fire (2018, Paradise, CA), Carr Fire (2018, Redding, CA), the August 2020 California lightning fires (2020, multiple locations, 3,500+ structures destroyed), the Marshall fire (2021, Marshall, Superior, and Louisvill, CO), the Mountain Fire (2024, Ventura, CA), the Hawaii wildfires (2023, Lahaina, HI), the 2025 Los Angeles wildfires (2025, Pasadena and Altadena CA amongst other locations), and the 2026 Spokane complex (2025, Spokane, WA, ~850 structures).

That's just within the US (an advanced modern technological society), omits wildfires not significantly impacting urban regions, and probably skips a few. There've also been unprecedented urban fires in Canada, Europe, and Australia within the past few decades after nearly a century of no such instances.

(Europe is an exception: for some reason there were numerous urban conflagrations in the period 1939--1945, e.g., Dresden and Hamburg, though climate doesn't seem directly implicated as I recall. Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and other Japanese cities had a similar experience at the time.)

As more facts come out about the Nepal-Tibet glacial flood event of 2026, it's pretty clear that many casualties and damage were unavoidable at all once the event itself was triggered. Avoiding casualties would have required extensive evacuations of a nearly 100km stretch of the Trishuli River, possibly for weeks, with an affected population of over 1 million souls.

I've addressed this in a few recent HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49473419> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49473201> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49460081>

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Is Switzerland exposed to similar risk, given the amount of glaciers?

That and other risks.

There's the 1963 Vajont Dam collapse in northern Italy (just south of the Swiss border).

Nutshell summary: one of the tallest dams ever built (262m / 860ft) created a reservoir in a high valley surrounded by the sedimantary limestone slopes of Mounte Toc. Layers of limestone were separated by clay a few cm thick. As the reservoir filled, the clay was hydrated, effectively becoming a lubrication layer. On 9 October 1963 a 2km long landslide of roughly 260 million m^3 slammed at 110 kph into the reservoir creating a tsunami of 115 million m^3 of water which overtopped the dam itself in a 250m high wave. The primary impact was downstream in the Piave Valley utterly destroying several villages and towns, with 1,900--2,500 deaths. (Other waves washed across the reservoir and upstream causing additional damage.)

There's a detailed Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajont_Dam>.

Also several good videos detailing the specifics of the disaster on YouTube.

Generally the Alps are at a far lesser scale than the Himalaya, but yes, glacier, flood, and landslide risks exist.

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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It's awful to see dozens of people running and knowing they're all gone. It wasn't even close. They were so small compared to that absolute FORCE .

Is it correct to say that the video looks far worse than it actually is ? As in, the dust/mud particles sprayed & floating in the air do not have the force to do harm beyond vision or breathing impairment, similar to the dust from a collapsing building, or the lead shockwave of a nuclear bomb detonation. Of course, it looks terrible, and certainly somethingbut its not a reason to perish as long as you can stay away f…

No, it is not.

The camera position is elevated at least 6--8 stories above the valley floor, an elevation of 20--24m or so by my estimate.

Slightly below it is a concrete platform supporting a parabolic dish antenna.

That platform is well above the main debris flow, catches only comparatively minor impacts, and ... is knocked flat just before the video terminates.

More significantly, the three story block structure at the lower left of the frame is seen visibly displaced an instant before it is obscured by the debris flow, at about 30s into the video.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mudslide_at_Gyirong_Port_...>

We now have before/after images of the precise location of the port. THere is absolutely no indicate that structures ever existed there:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2026-08-28/3D-imagery-reveals-pat...>

From: "How do newly released 3D images explain the Gyirong mudslide?" https://news.cgtn.com/news/2026-08-28/3D-imagery-reveals-pat...>.

There is no conceivable way that this can be perceived as a minor or generally-survivable incident.

Re: The mechanics of the Nepali flash flood

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It's awful to see dozens of people running and knowing they're all gone. It wasn't even close. They were so small compared to that absolute FORCE .

This is true, and, relatedly, is the feeling I have about all of climate change. By the numbers, it won't be close. Of course, this little preview is itself anthropogenic. This horrific disaster is the thinnest tendril of the monster we have unleashed.

OP here. This post went from +6 yesterday to -3 overnight.

The implicit HN Forbidden Topics List is beginning to look a lot like an impartial description of a Tuesday.

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