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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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As much as I dislike this administration's actions, why? Doesn't the Department of Defense get discretion to contract for whatever reasons it likes, as long as they think it serves public interests? If Pete Hegseth, who is albeit highly incompetent, decides that Anthropic's values don't match with those of the DoD, isn't that entirely his call to make? Unless there's very specific circumstances at play, Hegseth is at…

Judges at this level often do things like this, and given it was brought in California likely the next level would also block the administration. That said, the Supreme Court has been pretty clear that the executive branch has broad and the only authority to designate supply chain risk. That said, they do need to justify it, not sure they did it well enough here, but this is far from an impartial judge.

Also, judges are political appointees -- This one has ruled against the Trump administration repeatedly and it's why this case was brought here. She was appointed by Joe Biden, was born/lives/works in the Bay Area and has a track record.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Presumably this is going to lead to anthropic getting a big payday from the US gov for all the time their flagship product was banned and all the users they lost due to it

The government would just not pay, similar to what trump tried with his rape verdict

The government will pay because it's not his money, it's our money. He loves spending our money...

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Like so many of this administration's actions, unfortunately...

As they said during Louis the 14th's reign: "Si veut le roi, si veut la loi.", which translates to the law wants what the king wants.

In most modern democratic countries (I don't know about the US, since I'm European) executive and legislative branches are one and the same, so that still holds up!

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they said during Louis the 14th's reign: "Si veut le roi, si veut la loi.", which translates to the law wants what the king wants.

In most modern democratic countries (I don't know about the US, since I'm European) executive and legislative branches are one and the same, so that still holds up!

Can you name some examples?

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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I get irrational angry by logical and nonsensical statements. When I read this: “ Pentagon says private companies should not be able to constrain military action.” I am screaming: But they can fucking how what THEY want to sell to anybody! Setting terms for THEIR side is NOT constraining military action, unless military suddenly has totalitarian power over everybody !

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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When this administration is done we need to amend the constitution to hold politicians legally and financially responsible for intentionally lying and intentionally breaking the law. This was obviously illegal on its face and yet there is no consequence to pushing the norms.

I don't think "more rules" is the answer. There needs to be people in our government who have integrity, who can apply pressure and take risk. It's the people, not the constitution. The last 1.5 years is evidence that legality doesn't mean anything without people willing to take action.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I said is pertinent: Anthropic refusing to build software for autonomous weapons platforms is a national security issue. They have the capability, but they just don't want to do it because they don't feel like it. Soldiers don't need to die because a company is stubborn.

> they have the capability I think the whole problem is that they don't. Their systems are wholly unsuitable for _fully_ automated killing. Random schools and fishermen don't need to die because an administration stubbornly refuses to properly confront reality.

Anthropic isn’t just used for image analysis, and is actually a bad option as you said. It’s used mostly for programming, and what happens when it finds “missile system” in your prompt and refuses to continue coding?

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Does anything matter if it's illegal or not when it comes to the current government? This is not a flamewar im interested from a practical perspective if things like this has any effects at all in practice.

Government has three branches for this reason, so yes everything matters if it is illegal.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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I don't agree. When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk. Prevent everyone from doing it or don't prevent anyone. You can't single out and cripple only one country. I don't imagine that this was Anthropic's intent anyway. They were just trying to say that…

> When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk. The 'national security risk' is imaginary and exists solely in the minds of the government morons in charge of AI policy

Bro, we know the US government is using it as a weapon because they told us! That is national security.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most modern democratic countries (I don't know about the US, since I'm European) executive and legislative branches are one and the same, so that still holds up!

Can you name some examples?

All parliamentary democracies.

If you have the majority, you can’t even be removed through a vote of no confidence.

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