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Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#51

Outsider here. The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. To call this "Baseless" is hilarious.

The things/concepts that those screenshots have that infiniminer (a voxel game made before minecraft) doesn't is... grass, trees, glass. I hate to bring it to you, but minecraft didn't invent those. And it certainly didn't invent the concept of a voxel world (not that it could even copyright that if it did).

Never mind that the things in those in-game screenshots aren't even in the play store app, they're separately downloadable things.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#52
post #40

Outsider here. The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. To call this "Baseless" is hilarious.

That's...straight-up false. Unless you have some source for this, you're just lying here. Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft. The screenshots are of voxel-based survival crafter games you can build with their platform. The textures are not Minecraft textures. They are similar in style, sure, but that's not remotely the same thing. You can't copyright a general visual style, nor can you copyright a game genre. To call th…

> Yes, it's inspired by Minecraft.

More likely that Minecraft was inspired by Luanti since Luanti was released first. (at least, formally released)

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#53

Someone should copyright the American flag and popular advertised variants of blue/white/red and something alike and start DMCA'ing politicians, maybe that would wake them up to how bad the law is?

That's not how you get copyright, the creator of a work automatically gets the copyright. You can sue someone for violating your copyright, but if you tried to claim copyright of the US flag your case would get thrown out immediately.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#54

Could the sequence of events be: 1) open source project publishes source 2) AI scrapes source 3) AI generates code for proprietary game similar to that of the source 4) AI tool scans jar files and finds similar code, triggers copyright violation

Most pirated game assets or code is usually naive contamination from market place re-sellers that don't have a legal right to the kit-bashing content.

Very common to find pitch shifted audio getting resold on Unity store or web, images/3D with intact watermarks/meta-data, and scraped shader code. If you are credulous enough to buy files from a shady online seller, the copyright/trademark liability almost always falls on the person that publishes the IP. You can do everything above board, and still get sued as other license holders may register the asset signature with anti-piracy/YT bots.

For example, you could buy BBC/NBC/Sony libraries off ebay/web for a few bucks, but they will 100% still sue you into bankruptcy if you ever publish content with their media IP.

"AI" vector search can produce similar results of existing scraped works, and almost every LLM knows Disney Mickey Mouse. How LLM are trained means isomorphic plagiarism will occur regardless of data granularity. Just like how mp3 were a lousy highly compressed version of CD audio, the output does not have to be a verbatim copy to trip copyright and trademark IP laws.

Isomorphic plagiarism becomes less obfuscated when compiled into standard executable code. However, some firms actually used human session chat admins for data labeling/edits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1iLPxwgV4E

People may still lose even if they are right. If you resell something you didn't actually make yourself or purchased royalty free perpetual rights from the authorized holder, than the liability still falls on you when content rights change.

This is why fun indie games sometimes disappear. Some may not like these rules, but most play by them to survive as a business. =3

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#55

Outsider here. The screenshots are literally Minecraft screenshots. It's a clone, and not a subtle one either. To call this "Baseless" is hilarious.

Being block based doesn't mean it is using Minecraft assets. Minecraft does not own the idea of having a block based world, and there are quite a few popular (and many unpopular) block-based games. If you played Minecraft you should be able to tell that none of the assets are Minecraft assets.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, juries are generally a good thing), it's a jury of randos that will be shown the screenshots and asked to make a determination.

https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery

What percentage of the population would see those screenshots and say "Definitely Luanti" 0.00001%? 0.001%?

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#56

Could the sequence of events be: 1) open source project publishes source 2) AI scrapes source 3) AI generates code for proprietary game similar to that of the source 4) AI tool scans jar files and finds similar code, triggers copyright violation

If you look at the screenshots of the game in question, it's pretty obvious what is going on

https://www.luanti.org/en/#gallery

Even though those are mods, it's a bad look to be holding those up as reference game images.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#57
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun part is that US legislative branch did not have much say in creation of DMCA. US executive branch back then was just lobbied by major copyright holders and they literally bypassed much of legislation process around congress by creating and signing international agreements instead. By the time DMCA landed in congress there was very little that could be changed because US already had to honour intetnational agreeme…

Didn't the international agreements require ratification from legislative?

Yes, but as told by DMCA creator quoted in video congress cant amend them much unlike any other law.

Congress could obviously not pass ratificarion, but you know how its usually going.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#58
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that isn't what that case ruled at all. It ruled that the program generating the code cannot be the author.

interesting interpretation. most other articles on the topic have a different interpretation. if the AI can not be the author, then who can? is writing the prompt enough to establish being the creator? i think we need a few more cases to get an answer to that.

A company does NOT have rights to copy/mimic other works without legal license outside fair use like satire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20260414-the-monkey-sel...

The owner of the Camera in this case lost copyright ownership claim, as did the rights-group representing the monkey. =3

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#59
The problem with DMCA claims is that there are no consequences on misuse.

It places all the work on the affected parties to prove their innocence.

And suing the fake claim, is years of work and cost. This is why companies like Tracer.AI, ... get away with it. And how the system even gets misused to remove competitors or flat out blackmail.

Even worse is when we have hosting companies in Europe, who simply take American DMCA claims for granted because investigating them costs time and money.

The entire system is broken (by design?).

/Edit: what is with the downvotes? Did i write something that is incorrect?

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

#60

If there are no consequences for filing a false DMCA takedown, what stops people or companies filing them all the time to take apps from Apple or Microsoft offline?

You will notice that DMCA claims are often against smaller parties. You rarely see those DMCA claiming companies go after somebody like Microsoft because those companies can fight back.

Its a system that mostly benefits large companies. Just about everybody else hates the system.

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