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Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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Could the sequence of events be: 1) open source project publishes source 2) AI scrapes source 3) AI generates code for proprietary game similar to that of the source 4) AI tool scans jar files and finds similar code, triggers copyright violation

Could be, but unfortunately (3) can generate the code but it is not copyrightable (Thaler v. Perlmutter)

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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post #11

Could the sequence of events be: 1) open source project publishes source 2) AI scrapes source 3) AI generates code for proprietary game similar to that of the source 4) AI tool scans jar files and finds similar code, triggers copyright violation

Could be, but unfortunately (3) can generate the code but it is not copyrightable (Thaler v. Perlmutter)

No, that isn't what that case ruled at all. It ruled that the program generating the code cannot be the author.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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Could the sequence of events be: 1) open source project publishes source 2) AI scrapes source 3) AI generates code for proprietary game similar to that of the source 4) AI tool scans jar files and finds similar code, triggers copyright violation

It's very unlikely. The DMCA notification is from Microsoft, who owns Minecraft.

The sequence of events is:

1) US votes a law that is hilariously favourable to copyright holders

2) Copyright holders abuse it for a while with non-AI bots

3) Copyright holders abuse it with AI-bots

4) Copyright holders will continue to abuse it until the law is amended.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a TOS waive any rights? Surely there are some unalienable rights.

I, personally, don't feel that "making money by doing business in a particular market" should be a right it is illegal to waive. If it were inalienable, things like regional distribution agreements would be void, since you could sign away your ability to sell in a certain country and then compete with your distributor anyway. Let's keep some perspective here - there is no "inalienable right to sell apps to smartphone…

Imagine the landlord of a library were to close the store just because someone complained that the library was selling stolen books. Would you consider this acceptable? And we are talking about a landlord that basically own the city here.

I don't know in this particular case of Luanti, but this could be people's livelihood we are talking about, there should be some sort of legal due process.

It really feels like middle-ages kind of justice.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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post #7
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a TOS waive any rights? Surely there are some unalienable rights.

I, personally, don't feel that "making money by doing business in a particular market" should be a right it is illegal to waive. If it were inalienable, things like regional distribution agreements would be void, since you could sign away your ability to sell in a certain country and then compete with your distributor anyway. Let's keep some perspective here - there is no "inalienable right to sell apps to smartphone…

at the same time google is moving to forbid other app stores so...

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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post #3

Sue them for tortious interference

I suspect the TOS say google can remove or deny apps for any reason. If in the EU, there might be a DMA claim though.

The TOS isn't a defense against purposely trying to ruin someone else's business by lying

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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post #7
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a TOS waive any rights? Surely there are some unalienable rights.

I, personally, don't feel that "making money by doing business in a particular market" should be a right it is illegal to waive. If it were inalienable, things like regional distribution agreements would be void, since you could sign away your ability to sell in a certain country and then compete with your distributor anyway. Let's keep some perspective here - there is no "inalienable right to sell apps to smartphone…

All rights should be inalienable, simply because if they are not then all corporations will put "you waive all your rights" into their standard legal boilerplate.

The consequences do not matter. Voiding regional distribution agreements is a small price to pay for actually having rights.

Re: Luanti removed from Google Play due to baseless AI copyright notice

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> We received a similar notice from the same company in 2023 and successfully appealed against it. This company also filed a similar notice this year against an indie game with similar voxel art style by the name of Allumeria.

They'll backtrack and apologize - again.

At some point, the pathway for Microsoft to regain some of the goodwill associated with Minecraft is to fire the senior lawyer most responsible for sending out these notices.

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