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Rubio Uses Terrorism Law to Ban Secure Email Service

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Re: Rubio Uses Terrorism Law to Ban Secure Email Service

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Post by TitaRusell »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #9

The outstanding thing about these sanctions is that there's no due process: the accuser is the jury and judge. You don't need to be found guilty, or even charged to be sanction. The impact is deep, and global. Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US".

That's just American culture no? Americans hate discussions, meetings and deliberations. They want a strong leader telling everyone what to do and then everyone jumps up to do it.

The US technically has a parliament but it's function is largely ceremonial.

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Post by hulitu »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #9

The outstanding thing about these sanctions is that there's no due process: the accuser is the jury and judge. You don't need to be found guilty, or even charged to be sanction. The impact is deep, and global. Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US".

> Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US".

Funny that this thing happened _only_ after Trump came to power. US has been doing such things from some time but nobody noticed it. Nowadays it is even exporting this.

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Post by vidarh »

hulitu wrote: post #12
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #9

The outstanding thing about these sanctions is that there's no due process: the accuser is the jury and judge. You don't need to be found guilty, or even charged to be sanction. The impact is deep, and global. Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US".

> Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US". Funny that this thing happened _only_ after Trump came to power. US has been doing such things from some time but nobody noticed it. Nowadays it is even exporting this.

One of the things that becomes apparent if you look at GDP relative to political upheaval in various countries is that stability matters more than any given political direction for the economy. That's not to say specific policies do not matter, but they matter much less than I wish they did.

I don't know if the upheaval Trump is causing is sufficient in scale that it will be visible in US growth rates.

But the point is that business will adapt to pretty much any regime to various degrees if it is predictable. The US used to be predictable. Now it's increasingly looking unpredictable, and that could potentially become a much bigger problem than any specific policy Trump puts in place.

(For an extreme example, compare China under Mao and under Deng: Both periods saw lots of year on year growth, but under Mao there were cataclysmic resets whenever there were political upheaval before rapid growth eventually resumed and those resets massively harmed the long term growth average; more than Deng's economic reforms, the biggest change was a long period of predictability)

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Post by kevin061 »

xeonmc wrote: post #6

This sets the precedence that any entity providing encrypted services who refuses to provide US backdoors can be hit with a terrorist designation, anyone using them becomes criminalized by association. Even Apple would now have to kowtow or face the emperor's wrath. In 2030: "You have DeltaChat installed on your GrapheneOS phone? Why would you use that unless you're a terrorist? Good citizens use government-blessed c…

> like Signal

Is xeonmc the only person in this world, aside from me, that is extremely suspicious of walled garden applications like Signal, regardless of how open their source is?

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Post by e40 »

vidarh wrote: post #14
hulitu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Each of these sanctions is sending a really strong signal to the world: "stop relying on anything US". Funny that this thing happened _only_ after Trump came to power. US has been doing such things from some time but nobody noticed it. Nowadays it is even exporting this.

One of the things that becomes apparent if you look at GDP relative to political upheaval in various countries is that stability matters more than any given political direction for the economy. That's not to say specific policies do not matter, but they matter much less than I wish they did. I don't know if the upheaval Trump is causing is sufficient in scale that it will be visible in US growth rates. But the point…

> I don't know if the upheaval Trump is causing is sufficient in scale that it will be visible in US growth rates.

The problem is the lag. It allows for the responsible party to escape ownership of creating the problem. And of course the responsible party’s party will just finger point at the other party and say “they did this to you!!”

Re: Rubio Uses Terrorism Law to Ban Secure Email Service

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Post by vidarh »

e40 wrote: post #16
vidarh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the things that becomes apparent if you look at GDP relative to political upheaval in various countries is that stability matters more than any given political direction for the economy. That's not to say specific policies do not matter, but they matter much less than I wish they did. I don't know if the upheaval Trump is causing is sufficient in scale that it will be visible in US growth rates. But the point…

> I don't know if the upheaval Trump is causing is sufficient in scale that it will be visible in US growth rates. The problem is the lag. It allows for the responsible party to escape ownership of creating the problem. And of course the responsible party’s party will just finger point at the other party and say “they did this to you!!”

Yes, and once the effect is visible it is likely to take many years to undo. Destroyed trust is not easily rebuilt.

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Post by mdp2021 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #4

> violent The mentioned entity is making accusations: the point could be that an authoritative institutional judgement is missing (at list in the article) to establish a responsibility. In fact, the target's rebuttal was «false allegations made by a politically desperate administration with the sole intention of swaying people and media attention away from their own violence and warmongering». > our civilization The…

(Corrige: 'at list' → 'at least')

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Post by writtenone »

xeonmc wrote: post #6

This sets the precedence that any entity providing encrypted services who refuses to provide US backdoors can be hit with a terrorist designation, anyone using them becomes criminalized by association. Even Apple would now have to kowtow or face the emperor's wrath. In 2030: "You have DeltaChat installed on your GrapheneOS phone? Why would you use that unless you're a terrorist? Good citizens use government-blessed c…

Fwiw, the FBI use Signal regularly, and it's approved for some specific use cases. Don't ask how I know ;)

There are ways to ascertain how and when a person is using their device by analyzing Signal's metadata, then build a predictive model based on months of daily usage to infer when they're most likely about to pick up their phone.

Delta Chat is years behind Signal's protections, and its claims of "zero metadata" are straight up lies. SimpleX has at least four remote execution zero days that I'm aware of, all relating to media processing. I told Evgeny to make the blur effect actually hash the image instead of acting like an overlay, but I was repeatedly ignored before being set as an "observer" role in the SimpleX Public Group.

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