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Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by nl »

newsomix9xl wrote: post #47
bruce511 wrote: post #29

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And trade. The last 18 months the US has shown itself to be a unreliable trade partner. Lots of companies are looking at diversifying both markets and supply chains. The recent trip of the Canadian PM to China is but the most visible part of this shift. That's at govt level, but I've seen it happen all the way down to individual level. US products are typically more expensive here than Chinese. But at least you were…

I doubt the Canadians want their economy flooded with Chinese goods ("dumping" - selling goods at less than cost) - which destroys local industry. This was predicted in The Economist awhile back, that if the US blocked Chinese imports a tsunami of Chinese goods would flood other countries and now it's happening. Those countries will also, in turn, erect trade barriers, or suffer the devastation that massive Chinese d…

Accusations of Chinese dumping are cheap and easy to make, but the evidence is pretty mixed.

Most actual cases have been of raw materials (eg steel, yarn) and industrial chemicals.

I think this is a long way from the alleged "tsunami of Chinese goods".

It's also worth noting that many Chinese manufactured goods would mostly substitute for US manufactured goods (eg cars). That's actually the whole point.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by valleyer »

MBCook wrote: post #67
inigyou wrote: post #4

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The law is normally supposed to repay whatever damage you suffered while the law was running.

What would that even be in a case like this?

Anthropic would estimate (and provide justification of) how much lost income (and perhaps brand equity, opportunity cost, etc.) it suffered as a result of the government's actions, and the judge would consider it and decide.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by nl »

rozal wrote: post #62
inigyou wrote: post #54

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Oh no! Cheap goods and services! Maybe some other governments will be smart enough to not let a massive influx of nearly free stuff make everyone materially worse off. In fact it seems like only a completely idiotic system would make people worse off for having more free stuff.

oh no, lost jobs and and dying economy!

> oh no, lost jobs and and dying economy!

It worked for Australia (which has a fairly similar economy to Canada).

It has led to a "Dutch disease" reliance on the resources sector in Australia, but that isn't radically different to the Australian economy before (mostly proportionally more coal & iron ore exports, less wool and grain)

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by inigyou »

rozal wrote: post #62
inigyou wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no! Cheap goods and services! Maybe some other governments will be smart enough to not let a massive influx of nearly free stuff make everyone materially worse off. In fact it seems like only a completely idiotic system would make people worse off for having more free stuff.

oh no, lost jobs and and dying economy!

That is a policy choice. Why do we need jobs if we're getting unlimited free stuff? The laws of physics aren't requiring us to - we are requiring us to.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

firefoxd wrote: post #3

The law is too slow. It's like a horse carriage in the age of twitter. Why can't they expedite for special cases? Not even defending Antropic or any company. Just that if a tweet can cause damage in seconds, the law shouldn't be too far behind.

It's less slow in countries that aren't extremely litigious and backed up with frivolous cases, underfunded in staff, with excessive penalties and racial profiling causing overflows of cases and convictions for minor offenses, resulting in the world's largest prison population and the world's most backed up legal system.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by Barrin92 »

rozal wrote: post #62
inigyou wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no! Cheap goods and services! Maybe some other governments will be smart enough to not let a massive influx of nearly free stuff make everyone materially worse off. In fact it seems like only a completely idiotic system would make people worse off for having more free stuff.

oh no, lost jobs and and dying economy!

protectionism is what kills your economy because it cannot raise aggregate output. You can't "save jobs" in total, only a minority at the expense of the majority. When you raise tariffs on Chinese imports every consumer takes an economic hit, which otherwise would have gone to.. job creation and consumption. You'll have on net fewer jobs because you've made your country poorer.

Not to mention, Canada being largely a service and resource extraction economy doesn't even really compete much with China.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by LoganDark »

BowBun wrote: post #74
LoganDark wrote: post #65

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It is genuinely impossible to compete in a market where alternatives are cheaper enough, just look at how Amazon Basics squeezes competitors out of business.

This is why free trade is important. We had a decent setup where countries were specializing in their own manufacturing/services specialties, and then we all paid each other for what we needed. Then some greedy fools decided they needed more, and started trying to charge more on the way out or on the way in. Now the ones that specialized in the 'must haves' of today have insane leverage over everyone else. Then the '…

What are you saying? If people all choose a shitty version from China, there will be no market for a good local version and businesses will stop trying. The investment required to match China's manufacturing capability in any area is simply impossible unless you say it is an AI data center.

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by wavewrangler »

frog42 wrote: post #33
firefoxd wrote: post #3

The law is too slow. It's like a horse carriage in the age of twitter. Why can't they expedite for special cases? Not even defending Antropic or any company. Just that if a tweet can cause damage in seconds, the law shouldn't be too far behind.

I thought I hated Web 2.0/3.0, but "age of twitter" made me actually feel ill.

From recalled beef, to contaminated greens, to the cancer that is twitter, you will forever remember this period of your life as the dreaded... "age of shitter"

Re: Judge rules Trump administration’s blacklisting of Anthropic was illegal

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Post by theshrike79 »

inigyou wrote: post #53
avaer wrote: post #52

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That's why the exploit of a social media savvy government is to overflow the system with so much slop (literally and figuratively) the law can never catch up. Your bug is their feature.

They call it "flooding the zone", it's an explicit strategy

And Gish Gallop.

Basically lie so much and so fast that the fact checkers can't keep up. It also helps when their voter base literally couldn't care less about "truth".

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