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Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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I see this happen from time to time. Lately, almost all of the apps work fine on GrapheneOS. The best strategy is to keep writing the business once every two or so weeks that you can’t log in to and use the app. Don’t go too technical at first, because most of the time, the moment they hear things like “rooted” or “unofficial,” they just say your phone is the issue. To date, I was able to convince, or at least contri…

Which is the opposite reaction for PC problems, because people actually have choice and historically don't accept malware being the default

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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The cherry on top is that their web site invariably still works so the refusal to work via app is an intentional manipulation tactic to harvest more consumer data for sale.

Sadly, their website now appears to require an app in order to sign in. Even before that it would often block me with text along the lines of "We don't know who you are, call our support number."

PayPal? I sign in all the time. If you're referring to the popup to add a new authentication method, you can just escape past it.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

"Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!" I don't think they care at all about the size of graphene os market share if its jeopardize entire userbase then its not worth it

With the way today's economy works, they probably wouldn't even care if they lost 1/4 of their customers in just one year. Maybe their share price would jump!

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Graphene OS does not support root. This is a false positive based on some check they are doing.

It's probably just a generic error message for failing that Google Play Protect thingamajigger that attests provenance of the vendor OS from boot. Will be interesting to see whether the Motorola phones have this endorsement when they ship. Most devices would probably fail because they are rooted rather than because they are GrapheneOS. I wouldn't put it past a scammer talking grandma into rooting their phone.

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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #17

This is arguably the most irritating thing with just about every largecorp developer: "os that hasn't been updated in 6 years? Sure boss!". Os that is built specifically around security and privacy with daily updates: "No, you can't do that". Annoying - yes. Safe way to make sure I will stop being your customer - also YES!

Revolut pulled that stunt, I cancelled my account with them.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Wero is not a PayPal alternative. It doesn't even have buyer's protection and every bank must manually implement it which immediately makes it a failure. Some banks also connect it to your phone number so you can't link Wero to two different bank accounts with the same number when you have 2 bank accounts. Very messy.

> Some banks also connect it to your phone number What do you mean "some banks"? I thought the whole value proposition of Wero was instant bank transfers with SEPA but using phone numbers?

...why would I give my phone number to random people to pay them? I'd rather use an email address or user name. And using phone numbers means making it easier for normal people which means uploading the whole address book to the bank... just no.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #51

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How does a rooted phone enable bank fraud? This smells like pointless policy checkboxing.

If you run a rooted phone and download malware, that malware can gain root and do payments on your behalf. Then PayPal has to deal with you revoking payments etc., they don't want to so they forbid you from using PayPal on a rooted phone.

If you have a rooted phone, download malware, and hit the allow button to give the malware root access, then it can do whatever it wants.

If you have a nominally unrooted phone on an old Android version and download malware, it can exploit a kernel bug and give itself root access and do whatever it wants.

Protecting against the first case and not the second is at best security theater.

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