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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by Forgeties79 »

ClarityJones wrote: post #767
maerF0x0 wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. America needs to repeal citizens united, it's the source of many angles of corruption 2. I think it will happen much sooner than 2245 given how easily capital and the rich are able to move around the globe in 2026 (compared to 1945)

Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

> People complain about the wrong thing. The problem isn't that people are allowed to support candidates with their money, buy airtime, etc.. It's that companies have secret owners...

This was a major crux of Colbert’s “our lady of perpetual exemption” bit. People absolutely know about the shadowy machinations CU enabled. The lack of transparency is a major critique.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by peezd »

dd8601fn wrote: post #688
JV00 wrote: post #683

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case, somebody will open a new platform to upload the quantized models and hf will lose market share

One would assume. Just out of curiosity, how did Hugging Face have the money to run that operation?

VC funding (much of it from big tech). They have a freemium model and offer some pay for enterprise features, really just private repos, permissioning, etc. but not sure if it is meaningful

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by imhoguy »

JV00 wrote: post #683
randusername wrote: post #601

Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

In that case, somebody will open a new platform to upload the quantized models and hf will lose market share

Why platform? Bitorrent is the best for all these read-only model files laying on SSDs. Agreed some tiny DHT model search engine would be nice.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by digitallogic »

afpx wrote: post #644
randusername wrote: post #601

Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

This acquisition and the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter are puzzling. Both HF and OR, from a technological standpoint, don't appear to have much IP that cannot be easily replicated. I wonder how much it's worth to Nvidia just to obtain a list of who's downloading which models and for what purpose. Similarly with the Stripe acquisition of OpenRouter. In the past, it would have been valuable to obtain an audience or…

> from a technological standpoint, don't appear to have much IP that cannot be easily replicated.

They have network effects and strong brand recognition, both of which are hard to replicate.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by [deleted] »

penciltwirler wrote: post #680
Roark66 wrote: post #673

Soo, what are they buying exactly? Can I setup a forgejo instance, upload a bunch of open source models to it and get bought out for $13bln? I fail to see the point of this. Their inference hosting is a joke (I don't think I ever had a working response from a "try this model" form). Their brand alone surely is not worth this much. So what are they paying for? I worry the answer is, for control over who is allowed to…

Hugging Face's internal storage system is more sophisticated now after they acquired XetHub. They have a clever way to chunk and content dedupe the data that makes it a lot more efficient to version control large files.

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Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by philipwhiuk »

alexpotato wrote: post #629
HolyLampshade wrote: post #533

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Little bit of a “the more you know” moment. Historically NYSE (and AMEX; thought of in this specific context as CTA) had a lock on 1-3 character symbols. NASDAQ (via UTP) had a lock on 4-6 character symbols. For a long time you could tell where something was listed purely by looking at the length of the symbol it traded under. This all changed in the late 2000s or so, so no longer useful information. I honestly would…

NASDAQ at one point wanted to have "special characters" e.g. *()/ etc in ticker names too. EVERYONE said it was a bad idea but they kept pushing it. Repeatedly. Eventually, smarter heads prevailed and they got rid of the idea.

Imagine how much stuff breaks if they allowed a comma.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by some_furry »

ClarityJones wrote: post #767
maerF0x0 wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. America needs to repeal citizens united, it's the source of many angles of corruption 2. I think it will happen much sooner than 2245 given how easily capital and the rich are able to move around the globe in 2026 (compared to 1945)

Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

> Citizens United is a very sound ruling.

Corporations only have the powers granted to them by the state. Contributing to politics need not be one of them.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

randusername wrote: post #601

Grim prediction: "Quantized models are no longer permitted on the Hugging Face platform. Reduced precision models are a safety hazard and a violation of our TOS. Click here to speak with a sales representative about our many exciting cloud hosting offerings or enterprise GPU packages."

I doubt it.

I see this as NVidia placing 50% of their bets on local models as the future, which it seems may be more profitable to them than cloud (sell 100/whatever local cards, which see 40hr/week max utilization, vs one cloud card seeing 24x7 utilization).

NVidia seem like a smart company - if they want to promote this direction they are not going to cripple it by trying to limit quantized models, even though you might expect them to promote benchmarks showing the benefits of larger and less quantized ones.

It's like the smart Intel of old - support CPUs all all price points, while also promoting CPU hogging applications like OpenCV.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by imglorp »

ClarityJones wrote: post #767
maerF0x0 wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. America needs to repeal citizens united, it's the source of many angles of corruption 2. I think it will happen much sooner than 2245 given how easily capital and the rich are able to move around the globe in 2026 (compared to 1945)

Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

People yes.

Corporations no.

Re: Nvidia agrees to acquire Hugging Face for $13B

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Post by ClarityJones »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #771
ClarityJones wrote: post #767

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizens United is a very sound ruling. People have a right to support candidates > they can print a sign and stand on a street corner > printing signs costs money > people have a right to spend money supporting candidates. People have a right to assemble > they can stand on a street corner with their friends > they can hold a big sign together > they can have lots of friends and form a group and print a really big s…

> People complain about the wrong thing. The problem isn't that people are allowed to support candidates with their money, buy airtime, etc.. It's that companies have secret owners... This was a major crux of Colbert’s “our lady of perpetual exemption” bit. People absolutely know about the shadowy machinations CU enabled. The lack of transparency is a major critique.

I wouldn't say CU enabled it. CU didn't address the secrecy of corporate forms. That wasn't at issue. CU was only about ~"Can people use money with their friends to support a candidate."

To say that repealing CU is the solution is to allow the critique to go unresolved, while arguing ~"People shouldn't be free to support political candidates."

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