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U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by mslate »

titzer wrote: post #917
itake wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American that lives abroad. I have first-hand experience how other countries treat 'immigrants'. H1B is a temporary non-immigrant visa. I could never imagine myself buying a home in a country where I don't have permanent access to that real estate. I am not opposed to voting to prevent non-PRs from owning real estate in order to keep housing prices lower for residents and prevent non-immigrants from shooting t…

This comment vaguely blames immigrants for not having an escape plan. Millions of people immigrate to the US through all the right mechanisms and follow all the laws and have every intention of staying forever and becoming citizens. Scaring their pants off is an unnecessarily hostile and unwelcoming act that is unbecoming of this country. > in order to keep housing prices lower for residents And where do they live? T…

But titzer, are you not a wealthy resident as well? I thought we were among friends!

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Post by stanleykm »

ikatson wrote: post #891
philipwhiuk wrote: post #772

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> I think one of the fundamental problem with h1b is that it is labeled as "non-immigrant" I'm curious as a non-American - labelled by who? People who want to talk tough on immigration but benefit from H1Bs in their companies? Or the system itself in some way?

By the government: "This nonimmigrant classification..." [1] [1] https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-spec...

i think people are missing here that it is non immigrant because it’s temporary. but it is dual intent so you can intend to become an immigrant (permanent resident) on this visa. there are other nonimmigrant visas that are not dual intent such as B-1/B-2 or F-1. To get those visas you cannot have intent to immigrate.

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Post by conductr »

tclancy wrote: post #831
motbus3 wrote: post #700

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when you treat immigrants like they were not people with lifes, you are just one step away from treating poor people as they were not people and then too treat all common people as they were not people. also it has been quite convenient explanation for adopting systems such as Flock and allowing all kinds of para-police actions which seems very similar to what happened in germany circla 1930-1934

> when you treat immigrants like they were not people with lifes Thus the rebranding of humans as “illegals”.

That term has been in use for at least the half century I’ve been alive. It’s a common word almost every where in the US, shows up in daily conversations, but it’s been deemed not politically correct. That’s why you maybe never heard it in media or from a politician in the past. This presidency is all about breaking political correctness though and it’s on brand. This is why his devotees love him. Simple things like saying the words we were told we couldn’t say really resonates with some people. There’s unfortunately still a lot of deep seated racism in the US. Will take a thousand more years to really get rid of it. Political correctness is a way to force accelerated the process, it backfires when you push it too hard too fast. You’re trying to change culture faster than humans can be expected to change (pesky long lifespans and all). It doesn’t work well and cause a pressure cooker situation. Trump is the steam venting of years of political correctness and rapid progressive movement.

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Post by andrewla »

airstrike wrote: post #915
andrewla wrote: post #900

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I'm guessing that you did not actually read his dissent. Far from agreeing with the Trump administration; his view would effectively end birth tourism but preserve birthright citizenship (and maybe even stronger) for the children of non-citizens, legal or otherwise, who are domiciled in the US. As for it being cut and dry, do you earnestly believe that "and subject to its jurisdiction" is cut and dry? You might have…

Subject to its jurisdiction is pretty cleanly meant to mean paying taxes and obeying laws enforced upon them, which I concede could mean one is subject to multiple jurisdictions but it is not necessary to be subject to only one.

"Paying taxes" cannot be an important part of this. At the time this amendment was passed, income taxes not only did not exist, but were also unconstitutional.

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Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by rayiner »

motbus3 wrote: post #700
hvb2 wrote: post #505

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The leaving part is not the issue, as you try to immigrate into a country you're subject to the rules that country sets. You're always free to not immigrate into that country (this is not about asylum). The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. For how long? No one can tell. Does this mean you lose your job? Maybe. And when you decide it's no lo…

when you treat immigrants like they were not people with lifes, you are just one step away from treating poor people as they were not people and then too treat all common people as they were not people. also it has been quite convenient explanation for adopting systems such as Flock and allowing all kinds of para-police actions which seems very similar to what happened in germany circla 1930-1934

You treat them like they are people without personal agency.

Temporary worker programs are a deal offered on open terms: people can come to work, but they have to leave afterward. The laws are plastered with the word “temporary.” People take advantage of the deal knowing the terms and there is nothing wrong holding people to the deal.

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Post by stanleykm »

itake wrote: post #852
fg137 wrote: post #738

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This. The dude has no idea what they are talking about. It's amazing even on HN people are openly giving their opinions while being completely uninformed of the facts. Imagine the discussions elsewhere.

I’m informed on this topic… Can you correct the mistake? If I show up in China (or the USA) on a tourist visa with the plans to pursue a marriage and permanent residency, does that mean I get to backdate my permanent residency to the tourist visa because I’m able to pursue a marriage (PR)?

an h1b isnt a tourist visa what is wrong with you people

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Post by jandrese »

tclancy wrote: post #831
motbus3 wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when you treat immigrants like they were not people with lifes, you are just one step away from treating poor people as they were not people and then too treat all common people as they were not people. also it has been quite convenient explanation for adopting systems such as Flock and allowing all kinds of para-police actions which seems very similar to what happened in germany circla 1930-1934

> when you treat immigrants like they were not people with lifes Thus the rebranding of humans as “illegals”.

Especially when they arbitrarily change the rules so people who did everything by the book are now “illegals”. Especially when they “lose” paperwork somewhere inside of an enormous overworked and hostile bureaucracy.

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Post by andrewla »

enraged_camel wrote: post #463
samiwami wrote: post #444

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it’s a cut and dry constitutional amendment, it doesn’t matter if Thomas thinks the people that were in mind when it was drafted are not the same people it applies to now. if they want to change it, go ahead and get the states to ratify a new amendment. Supreme Court doesn’t get to throw out an amendment because it’s old.

It's also amusing that you won't ever hear conservatives like Thomas making the same argument when it comes to, say, the 2nd amendment.

You also won't find Thomas making this argument for birthright citizenship because he didn't make that argument for birthright citizenship. The post you are replying to is incorrect, this was not his argument.

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Post by woodpanel »

ramraj07 wrote: post #916
woodpanel wrote: post #909

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Non-US citizen here. 100% Agreed. Where does this notion come from that a host society has any obligation to the foreigner / non pr? As if he was forced to move to America.

No one asks for that obligation. Only that the rules are stable and you give a heads up.

You have the heads up: Why acquire real-estate if your status is by law temporary?
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