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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by rciorba »

iammrpayments wrote: post #37
rciorba wrote: post #34

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Critical mass? I had to start using it after moving to Germany, because everyone else expects you to use it. One of the ladies at daycare is leaving? Here's a paypal link to chip in for a good-bye present. Split a take-out order with a German friend, but he paid? Here's his paypal to send him your share. It's just assumed that everyone has paypal over here...

Thought they use Sepa

Sepa is how my kid's daycare debits me each month, or how I transfer money to other accounts (most bills are direct-debit, but sometimes I get a one-off invoice and I have to transfer the money myself).

But for the small person-to-person type thing, paypal is the defacto here (sadly).

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by StrLght »

skinfaxi wrote: post #112
StrLght wrote: post #75

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There are valid RASP techniques that involve dynamic code loading, so it actually makes a lot of sense. Source: I worked on RASP a long time ago :) IMO headline is very misleading, and OP should have tried disabling all exploit protection options before jumping to any conclusions. PayPal isn't actively trying to block GrapheneOS as of now.

So to use paypal you actually have to reduce the security of the phone?

As with all things about security — it depends on your threat model.

It reduces security of the app itself, but doesn't affect security of the phone by much.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by kalleboo »

cloudie78 wrote: post #114
dewey wrote: post #84

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Easy to say when you are in a country where you have a lot of options. There's some countries with very bad financial sector where your option is PayPal or Western Union as the local banks don't know how to do international transfers, Remitly doesn't support all countries and Wise also doesn't work. PayPal works, even if they charge fees.

Which countries have local banks that don’t know how to do international transfers?

My local banks know how to international transfers but I have to go into a bank office and fill out a paper form. Receiving international transfers they call and ask if I wish to accept it, if I can't answer the phone right then the transfer gets delayed. If the sender does not include my middle name, I have to come into the office and sign an affidavit that this person with this different name is also me. Each time.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by mr_mitm »

iammrpayments wrote: post #37
rciorba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Critical mass? I had to start using it after moving to Germany, because everyone else expects you to use it. One of the ladies at daycare is leaving? Here's a paypal link to chip in for a good-bye present. Split a take-out order with a German friend, but he paid? Here's his paypal to send him your share. It's just assumed that everyone has paypal over here...

Thought they use Sepa

I wish. The small inconvenience of putting in an IBAN and a matching name instead of just an email address is already enough for many people to default to paypal. Just happened to me again yesterday, the guy preferred to bring cash next time we see each other instead of just receiving my info via text.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by fluidcruft »

iamnothere wrote: post #115
encom wrote: post #51

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How does a rooted phone enable bank fraud? This smells like pointless policy checkboxing.

Graphene OS does not support root. This is a false positive based on some check they are doing.

It's probably just a generic error message for failing that Google Play Protect thingamajigger that attests provenance of the vendor OS from boot. Will be interesting to see whether the Motorola phones have this endorsement when they ship. Most devices would probably fail because they are rooted rather than because they are GrapheneOS. I wouldn't put it past a scammer talking grandma into rooting their phone.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Post by dewey »

cloudie78 wrote: post #114
dewey wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy to say when you are in a country where you have a lot of options. There's some countries with very bad financial sector where your option is PayPal or Western Union as the local banks don't know how to do international transfers, Remitly doesn't support all countries and Wise also doesn't work. PayPal works, even if they charge fees.

Which countries have local banks that don’t know how to do international transfers?

We were having a lot of problems with that in Honduras, staff in the branch did not know how to do that, fees are extremely high and sometimes the bank system is just offline and you get sent home. There's a reason all these alternatives like Western Union etc. exist for this remittance use case.

It was a big reality check for me usually living in Germany and having access to a lot of banks and modern neo-banks.

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