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Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally I think the issue is that there's a tension between your security vs Paypal's security (deliberate, motivated bad actors). Maybe an analogy could be about using metal detectors as a layer to reduce bank robberies. A gun in a good guy's hands is a good thing to prevent robberies. Guns in a bad guy's hands are a bad thing to prevent robberies. Paypal knows you have a gun but they don't know if you're a good g…

How does a rooted phone enable bank fraud? This smells like pointless policy checkboxing.

If you run a rooted phone and download malware, that malware can gain root and do payments on your behalf. Then PayPal has to deal with you revoking payments etc., they don't want to so they forbid you from using PayPal on a rooted phone.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #53

Still works for me. I had to update exploit protection after their latest update — I think it was enabling dynamic code loading via both memory and storage that did the trick. Edit: checked now, I have also disabled secure app spawning.

Interesting, just inferring from that it sounds like GrapheneOS's actual-security features might have been tripping up PayPal's root-detection "security" features.

(Rather than something fundamentally incompatible, like them using Play Integrity)

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a rooted phone enable bank fraud? This smells like pointless policy checkboxing.

If you run a rooted phone and download malware, that malware can gain root and do payments on your behalf. Then PayPal has to deal with you revoking payments etc., they don't want to so they forbid you from using PayPal on a rooted phone.

If this happens it's the device owners fault and they should be responsible for it.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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Switched to Wero and haven't looked back. https://wero-wallet.eu

Wero is not a PayPal alternative. It doesn't even have buyer's protection and every bank must manually implement it which immediately makes it a failure. Some banks also connect it to your phone number so you can't link Wero to two different bank accounts with the same number when you have 2 bank accounts. Very messy.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #31

Has PayPal blocked GrapheneOS, or have they blocked every OS they're unable to verify and done a poor job of implementing their checks? Hanlon's Razor is a useful tool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

The very fact they've managed to convince anyone that checking what OS I decide to run on the devices I own to check my own banking is any of their concern is a problem in and of itself.

Re: Tell HN: PayPal blocks GrapheneOS

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a rooted phone enable bank fraud? This smells like pointless policy checkboxing.

If you run a rooted phone and download malware, that malware can gain root and do payments on your behalf. Then PayPal has to deal with you revoking payments etc., they don't want to so they forbid you from using PayPal on a rooted phone.

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