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U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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mschuster91 wrote: post #790
ifwinterco wrote: post #775

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at the moment, but the result of the current UK system has been huge uncontrolled levels of immigration leading to deep public resentment, so that may change in the future

> leading to deep public resentment That "public resentment" mostly was fueled by a rabid, out of control yellow press and a healthy dose of Russian propaganda spread by Russia-financed entities (Brexit, UKIP and Reform UK all have been shown to have very suspicious links to Russian money).

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Post by avazhi »

hvb2 wrote: post #609
conductr wrote: post #590

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> The issue here is that, if you just left the country to do everything the country asked you, you are now in limbo. I feel like I’ve said it a few times but - Yes, exactly. The country wants you to leave and then get’s to decide if you can come back. That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. You’re approaching it from a perspective where you’re being asked to leave and your reentry is a right. It’s not. They never said,…

> I feel like I’ve said it a few times but - Yes, exactly. The country wants you to leave and then get’s to decide if you can come back. That’s how it’s designed. On purpose. That is how it's designed, and that's fine. But make a decision... They're pausing the decision making for an indefinite amount of time. That's not how it was designed, but it sure does look like that's on purpose.

Of course it’s on purpose. That’s the point: to get temp migrants to leave. There’s nothing inhumane about that, and the government is acting within the scope of its authority.

In the end this is 100% a political issue and who knows why it is on the HN front page.

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Post by fg137 »

Georgelemental wrote: post #525
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #345

My company has a H-1B guy that travelled home to India a few months ago and since then can't come back because the next date he can get with the US embassy is next year. Seems he may get stuck even longer... I am to some degree on board with keeping a closer eye on immigration, but the way the current administration does it feels intentionally cruel. The guy at my company has a house, wife, and kids in the US; his vi…

An H-1B is a temporary non-immigrant visa. You're not supposed to rely on it to build a life in the US with no backup plan; that was never the intent of the law. However, successive administrations ignored the intent of the law, for so long that people began to rely on assurances that the law never promised. Now that the law is getting applied properly, those people are facing the consequences. It sucks for them, but…

Your first sentence is factually wrong.

I highly recommend that you refrain from commenting on any immigration related topics until you can get your facts correct.

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Post by philipallstar »

bubblethink wrote: post #730
alphabeta3r56 wrote: post #715

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That's on purpose too. To send a clear signal that we don't want you. It's just a mobster way of doing it.

It's not a mobster way, more like a weasel way. The reason it is a weasel's move is because decisions at the consulate are made by consular officers who are career public workers and won't deny visas for arbitrary reasons. That is bad for the political leadership because they just don't want to issue visas. So they need to invent evasive moves to throttle the pipeline by adding trainings, background checks, and other…

> That is bad for the political leadership because they just don't want to issue visas

America welcomes the most people in by percentage and by numbers in the world. If they don't want to issue visas, and they do it the most by political design, then no one does.

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Post by MrVandemar »

account42 wrote: post #879
thayne wrote: post #798

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> the US was the most expensive In other words, completely inaccessible to many people who would like a better life and are willing to work but lack opportunities in their native country. Just because it was achievable for you doesn't mean it is achievable for everyone.

So? No one is entitled to immigrate to the US. It is very much supposed to not be achievable for literally everyone but only for those where it will be a net positive for the country. And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.

> And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.

In my country, I've not heard a lot of people expressing the wish to visit, let alone immigrate to the US for quite some time now.

And as a reminder of what country we're all talking about here, that'd be the one with the highest number of school shootings in the world, and the least political action and drive to do anything material about it, because, you know, emotional neanderthals gotta have their guns.

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Post by 15155 »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #671
15155 wrote: post #608

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> They come with renewal expectations, assuming the situation hasn't changed What? Where is this expectation enumerated? An expiration date is in fact defined. I'm not sure where some legal expectation of guaranteed renewal could arise from. > unilaterally doesn't make you not an asshole if you actually exercise that right. "Asshole" is a matter of opinion, and rights aren't actually rights if you aren't ever able to…

> Where is this expectation enumerated? Literally in the phrase "immigrant visa". An immigrant visa is definitionally a visa intended for someone to immigrate with.

Which immigrant visas require renewal? None of the "leave to renew" conversation here applies to LPRs.

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Post by niek_pas »

green_wheel wrote: post #366
Razengan wrote: post #109

Not just immigration, seems like travel in general is becoming difficult too. It's a real shame that just when we have the tech and infrastructure to allow people to travel anywhere in the world within a day, for a single person to be able to explore the entirety of this awesome planet for the first time in human history, that the worst among us have to enforce artificial borders and deny everyone this basic freedom.…

People aren't simply interchangeable units of economic output, and when they live together for long periods of time they develop unique and distinct cultures that are dear to them. Letting the entirety of the world into your country without stops is cultural suicide. If you put any a value in preserving culture you will find it ethical to put some limit on immigration. Assimilation is possible but there is a limit to…

'Cultures' have never been units of 'insiders' isolated from 'outsiders'. Cultural change is inevitable and there is no reason assume 'changing significantly' is inherently bad. That's what history _is_.

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Post by DiscourseFan »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #851
DiscourseFan wrote: post #842

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I think claiming that this policy is broadly harmful to the US economy is more factually grounded than claiming its a "generational W."

Good for the economy is not the same as good, bad for the economy is not the same as bad. Sometimes good things can still be bad for the economy, like outlawing child labour or slavery. That being said, I don't think there is any evidence that survives scrutiny that immigration has been a net positive for any western country, and if I take Norway as a specific example, we have good data that immigration has been a ne…

I think you need to look at Japan to understand what happens to a country with an aging population, low fertility, and low net immigration. Which is what Norway is currently trending towards, and the US will trend towards without immigration.

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Post by account42 »

MrVandemar wrote: post #895
account42 wrote: post #879

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? No one is entitled to immigrate to the US. It is very much supposed to not be achievable for literally everyone but only for those where it will be a net positive for the country. And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.

> And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers. In my country, I've not heard a lot of people expressing the wish to visit, let alone immigrate to the US for quite some time now. And as a reminder of what country we're all talking about here, that'd be the one with the highest number of school shootings in the world, and the least political actio…

What sheltered well off ideologues say in their bubbles is irrelevant when it comes to determining what country people from around the world want to immigrate to. Historically, the US has been THE country where people want to be and I have yet to see any evidence that that has changed. If people would no longer want to come to the US then these changes to the immigration policies would also not affect anyone.

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Post by skinfaxi »

mlazos wrote: post #832
alphabeta3r56 wrote: post #733

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> The reason it is a weasel's move is because decisions at the consulate are made by consular officers who are career public workers and won't deny visas for arbitrary reasons. No? Visa can be denied for arbitrary reasons based on what executive branch of US. there have been multiple cases where it has been clear that visas are a privilige not a right. Visa needs a reason to be granted, by default it is denied.

Laws should not be executed on the whim of the executive branch.

It's not always a bad thing though is it? Like when Obama stopped federal enforcement of weed laws.
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