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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by Mashimo »

Lio wrote: post #61
Mashimo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framework 13 pro with new Intel chips claims to run 20h of 4k Netflix stream, or 17h of light web browsing @250 nits. That said these numbers are with windows.

So the hardware is capable but the Linux distros aren’t quite there yet? Fingers crossed for them then. I love the idea of a Framework laptop but I’m only interested in Linux performance.

> but the Linux distros aren’t quite there yet?

I just went by what Framework said on release a few weeks or month back. Maybe you can find a more up to date Linux test somewhere.

And I bet you can soon get a ThinkPad with the same intel chip, that should have similar battery life.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by monegator »

gigatexal wrote: post #46
dgunay wrote: post #21

I have immense respect for the incredible work that the Asahi team does, but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency I wonder whether anyone will really _have_ to run Linux on M series laptops. There was a clear case for it back when Apple silicon absolutely dominated anything else you could buy but with Panther Lake I'm not so sure that Apple's lead will continue to be big enough to…

Even if amd or intel caught up the Apple hardware is just built better and is far higher quality.

i snatched a lenovo yoga slim aura with a core 5 226 for 650 euro. Its build quality is on par if not better than the colleague's macbook, it's pretty good for working, runs fedora natively, battery last at least 12 hours unless i'm playing games.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by porridgeraisin »

jaimex2 wrote: post #47
dmitrygr wrote: post #27

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> but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency Have they? What AMD or Intel laptop with Linux on it can hold a candle to and M4 air or an M4max pro? Genuinely curious, cause I found none...

No idea but my Framework 12 goes for days without charging. I really haven't seen any real world need for M chips. Granted Im not compiling large projects on a train all day but who is.

> Framework 12 ... days without charging

I don't see how? it is a 50Wh battery. Even at 6W that is about 8h of usage? On what OS + workload on x86 are you seeing just 6W usage? Or is it that each day your usage is only 2 hours?

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by hiire »

strbean wrote: post #70
stiray wrote: post #69

I hope they will support M4 soon, I cant stand macos and its desire to be different than everything else by custom keyboard shortcuts etc. After 2 years of usage, I still have issues with basic actions like copy paste. edit: omg, writing this post, i checked if there is some way to use linux shortcuts and there is (Kanesh/KMonad or Karabiner-Elements). Maybe my suffering will finally stop.

Counterpoint: OSX has the only sane copy paste shortcuts. The linux standard of "sometimes ctrl-c/v, sometimes shift-ctrl-c/v, and if you mess up you might kill your task" is preposterous.

The command key really has to be my favorite thing about OSX, it lets you do system things without intercepting whatever is going on in the terminal. It also leaves the ctrl key with barely any use, so you can just customize its behavior (for example, I have ctrl+opt+some letter keys assigned to different desktops/spaces, that works great for me)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by finaard »

jaimex2 wrote: post #47
dmitrygr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency Have they? What AMD or Intel laptop with Linux on it can hold a candle to and M4 air or an M4max pro? Genuinely curious, cause I found none...

No idea but my Framework 12 goes for days without charging. I really haven't seen any real world need for M chips. Granted Im not compiling large projects on a train all day but who is.

The main power advantage of the apple chips is when the system is mostly idle - under mid to high load power to watt has been comparable for a few years already (at least AMD and Apple, intel was way behind - but I guess they caught up recently). The main reason behind my M3 MBP back then wasn't so much power efficiency - but that I can get it with 96GB of RAM.

It's nice that I can go a full office day without charging - the previous x86 notebook couldn't, but a decent one from the M3 generation probably could as well. But also if I put proper load an that thing the Macbook battery is done in less than 2 hours.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by ZiiS »

I truly understand the frustration of people asking when will it be done, and that DP Alt Mode got past that point. However it was in an official progress report, but then the last three don't mention it at all. (I have been running it without issue that whole time). A single line on the current scale of outstanding bugs would really help.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by kalleboo »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #62
benoau wrote: post #25

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It depends on how long Apple want to support the devices, if the support matches the longevity of the devices maybe nobody really needs Asahi. I believe all Intel Macs have received their final macOS version now so it is almost time for Apple to make that decision for the M1 generation. I think an M1 Pro, Max or Ultra (or even an M1 with 16GB of RAM) still has many good years left.

OS LTS support barely matters when planned obsolescence is baked in at the hardware level. Wearing parts (eg. SSD) are soldered on newer macs and there's intensive efforts to make sure even if you have the tools you can't repair it. Parts aren't available but if you get your hands on there's cryptographic parts pairing so it more or less can't be replaced: https://rossmanngroup.com/services/ssd-data-recovery/macbook.…

My MacBook Pro M1 is 5 years old now and the SSD wear level is at 4%. SSD wear is not a problem for normal users.

Meanwhile Apple's standard OS support period is 7 years, that's a much more imminent limit.

Not saying that I support non-user-replaceable SSDs, but if your goal is reducing e-waste, there are more impactful changes to make.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by ZiiS »

raybb wrote: post #65
dgunay wrote: post #21

I have immense respect for the incredible work that the Asahi team does, but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency I wonder whether anyone will really _have_ to run Linux on M series laptops. There was a clear case for it back when Apple silicon absolutely dominated anything else you could buy but with Panther Lake I'm not so sure that Apple's lead will continue to be big enough to…

That's fair but also think about the ewaste. I'm still hoping one of these mega AI LLMs will figure out how to install Linux on the many old iPads that become nearly useless after Apple stops updating them and you can't install new apps.

Please send all "ewaste" Apple silicon macbooks to me.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by maccard »

dgunay wrote: post #21

I have immense respect for the incredible work that the Asahi team does, but at the rate that Intel and AMD have been catching up on power efficiency I wonder whether anyone will really _have_ to run Linux on M series laptops. There was a clear case for it back when Apple silicon absolutely dominated anything else you could buy but with Panther Lake I'm not so sure that Apple's lead will continue to be big enough to…

What Laptop would you purchase that gives hardware equivalent to a MacBook Pro?

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 7.2

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Post by delamon »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #73
jaimex2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea but my Framework 12 goes for days without charging. I really haven't seen any real world need for M chips. Granted Im not compiling large projects on a train all day but who is.

> Framework 12 ... days without charging I don't see how? it is a 50Wh battery. Even at 6W that is about 8h of usage? On what OS + workload on x86 are you seeing just 6W usage? Or is it that each day your usage is only 2 hours?

My amd thinkpad idles at 3w, watching youtube is about 4.5-5w.
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