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U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by jjk166 »

xdennis wrote: post #282
jjk166 wrote: post #191

"We're not anti-immigration, we're only anti-illegal immigration!" * indefinitely pauses legal immigration *

If you're saying that's hypocritical, it's not. Being anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration doesn't mean you want to flood the country with legal immigrants. That's the case in the UK, by the way, where the vast majority of immigrants are legal and it's the reason for the growing anti-immigrant attitude of the natives. People who are anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration also have requiremen…

It most certainly is hypocritical. You can not be simultaneously pro-legal immigration and support banning legal immigration. If you support banning legal immigration, you are by definition anti-legal immigration.

> Being anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration doesn't mean you want to flood the country with legal immigrants.

If only there were something between 0 and unrestricted immigration, some sort of program where people apply for permission and the government issues approvals for individuals to enter its borders after meeting legal criteria.

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Post by xdennis »

diego_moita wrote: post #281
GetThemOut wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The irony: many native Americans believe that all of your own immigrant ancestors should never be allowed to enter the US. If you really believe what you wrote then I'd suggest to "GetThemOut*" your own immigrant heritage out of the country. * as your trolling username says

> The irony: many native Americans believe that all of your own immigrant ancestors should never be allowed to enter the US.

And your lesson from this is that Native Americans should continue to be ignored and more immigrants let in?

If you care about Native Americans (and don't just use them as a rhetorical device to argue with people on the internet) then surely, you'd support a reduction in immigration, right?

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Post by HaZeust »

9x39 wrote: post #159
klardotsh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t vote in most elections (except a few local elections in some places) and aren’t guaranteed entry at the border. They also can’t work a litany of jobs requiring citizenship. They get a plenty bad enough shake. Let’s grant them the absolute basics of humane treatment and a fair shake at getting citizenship, sheesh. Other countries get by just fine not having such a huge delta between haves and have nots on c…

A litany of jobs? Do you mean a minority of jobs - civil service, some clearance jobs, holding some offices? The Immigration and Nationality Act makes citizenship discrimination illegal. >Other countries get by just fine Which ones are your model for the US?

Oh, spare me. What an unserious statement. The entire point of an I-9 is to discriminate on citizenship, which is the document that HR pesters you on for your first few days at any new job anyway.

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Post by Balooga »

mcmcmc wrote: post #132
9x39 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why be a citizen at all if non-citizens have all the benefits and none of the responsibilities?

Rights and benefits are two different things, surely you aren’t that dumb. Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security or a US Passport?

> Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security or a US Passport?

Non-citizen Nationals can get a US passport. For example, folks born in American Samoa.

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Post by zzrrt »

wat10000 wrote: post #188
trgn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think many (if not most) countries in the developed world should reduce immigration, and usa in particular should abolish birthright citizenship. The first because a lower supply of labor is going to create breathing space for an entire working population who will see tremendous job upheaval due to AI automation. A lower aggregate demand on houses, services will also be welcome to take the fuel out of inflation, an…

Just how many people are being born through birth tourism and end up claiming more in welfare than they pay in taxes?

I think birth tourism is an overblown fear, but I suppose their answer is that poor welfare sponges and rich-ish passport collectors are both threats, for different reasons.

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Post by jachee »

markdown wrote: post #219

Is this in retaliation for a federal judge ruling three days ago that Trump's pause on Diversity Visa processing was unlawful? Or is this in retaliation for a federal judge ruling 6 days ago that Trump's ban on immigration from 75 countries was unlawful?

Yes.

Re: U.S. State Department pauses immigrant visa applications

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Post by xdennis »

jjk166 wrote: post #301
xdennis wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're saying that's hypocritical, it's not. Being anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration doesn't mean you want to flood the country with legal immigrants. That's the case in the UK, by the way, where the vast majority of immigrants are legal and it's the reason for the growing anti-immigrant attitude of the natives. People who are anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration also have requiremen…

It most certainly is hypocritical. You can not be simultaneously pro-legal immigration and support banning legal immigration. If you support banning legal immigration, you are by definition anti-legal immigration. > Being anti-illegal immigration and pro-legal immigration doesn't mean you want to flood the country with legal immigrants. If only there were something between 0 and unrestricted immigration, some sort of…

> You can not be simultaneously pro-legal immigration and support banning legal immigration.

Nobody is banning legal immigration. It's being restricted. The headline itself says "pauses". Do you think no legal immigrant will be let into the US until 2028?

> some sort of program where people apply for permission

Yes, and if that program is being abused (just ask people here on HN about H1Bs to see how they feel), then you pause it until you figure out how to solve it.

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Post by chihuahua »

mc32 wrote: post #165
garbawarb wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of not violating the law? Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, a company can't use a candidate's citizenship in hiring decisions.

There is no obligation[1] to consider any candidate who needs visa sponsorship. Green cards are different. In hiring they must be considered like any citizen candidate. For those seemingly not believing this, read: [1] https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-a-company-refuse-to-c...

Looks like people are downvoting facts, in the hope that this will change the facts.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

wat10000 wrote: post #188
trgn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think many (if not most) countries in the developed world should reduce immigration, and usa in particular should abolish birthright citizenship. The first because a lower supply of labor is going to create breathing space for an entire working population who will see tremendous job upheaval due to AI automation. A lower aggregate demand on houses, services will also be welcome to take the fuel out of inflation, an…

Just how many people are being born through birth tourism and end up claiming more in welfare than they pay in taxes?

Many don't bother coming back but the ones the do are almost always very expensive.
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