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Post by cheonc720 »

arjie wrote: post #86
JauntTrooper wrote: post #80

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Yeah, this is a pretty big risk. I'm similarly married to an American and we have an American child. Other country seems to have screwed the family, though. Mine (India) offers a fairly indefinite visa called an Overseas Citizen of India. And my wife's other nationality (Taiwan) also permits foreign spouses to live there after some straightforward paperwork. So, in theory, we could live in either of these other place…

> And my wife's other nationality (Taiwan) also permits foreign spouses to live there after some straightforward paperwork.

Not really.

Taiwan doesn’t like India either.

There’s a reason out of the 1.1 million immigrants/foreigners in Taiwan, only 6,000 are from India.

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Post by fblp »

dzonga wrote: post #19

the current admin are working hard to destroy the U.S as if they're foreign agents. not only are they making it hard & unbearable for families of US citizens & PR holders to be together. while at the same time - discouraging talent to come to the US at a crucial time when talent is at a premium due to A.I development. last the backwards energy policy of banning renewable energy.

These visa policies have already encouraged large tech companies etc to expand their Indian offices. It erodes the US tax base and means talent stay in their home country, which means more innovation happens outside the US. More start-ups are been founded in these countries because more talent is now there.

Trump first term was make Mexico and Vietnam Great Again as companies moved their manufacturing there. This term its make India Great Again as companies retain and train their tech talent there.

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Post by sensanaty »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #202
trgn wrote: post #101

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I think many (if not most) countries in the developed world should reduce immigration, and usa in particular should abolish birthright citizenship. The first because a lower supply of labor is going to create breathing space for an entire working population who will see tremendous job upheaval due to AI automation. A lower aggregate demand on houses, services will also be welcome to take the fuel out of inflation, an…

Our birthrate has been below replacement for several years now. We need immigrants to mitigate that.

Or, crazy idea, we make life livable for the locals and then we incentivize them to have kids of their own? And before you say it, I'm an immigrant from the 3rd world myself. I'm not anti-immigratiom, but the birth rate talking point is a very poor one.

Not to mention how unsustainable it is anyways, what happens a few years down the line when the immigrants stop having kids? There isn't an infinite ocean of people you can import on a whim, and definitely not forever.

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Post by epistasis »

9x39 wrote: post #108
mcmcmc wrote: post #69

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The first responsibility is to protect the rights of all people in the country. Citizenship is not required for protected rights

Why be a citizen at all if non-citizens have all the benefits and none of the responsibilities?

What responsibility does a non-citizen shirk? They must follow lows, pay taxes, etc. Even for things like social security.

I sometimes wonder where these concepts come from, because it sounds like somebody tricked you into thinking that non-citizens are somehow taking things from everybody else, rather than contributing just the same as everyone.

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Post by tialaramex »

inkysigma wrote: post #104
goodluckchuck wrote: post #59

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Birthright citizenship is so weird, because when I think of my son’s birthright, I imagine things he’s entitled to because he’s my son. He’ll inherit from my estate, he’ll enjoy my love and encouragement and support, etc. The location of the hospital where he was born doesn’t really have anything to do with it, but now I have an entirely new fear about foreign countries claiming my child if my wife happens to give bi…

This is rather weird framing since usually an additional citizenship (especially one in a country like the US) is considered a valuable thing to have for your child. Usually people claiming birthright citizenship are weird are doing it because they also see it as valuable. It’s also woven into the traditions of New World countries. Regarding your concerns, I don’t see why it is unreasonable to simply renounce citizen…

I agree that you can "just renounce" although notice that this won't necessarily work (it will for the US assuming you follow the procedure properly)

However being a dual citizen isn't necessarily all upside. Citizenship comes with requirements, particularly in some countries military service is mandatory and so if you're a citizen - even though you are a permanent resident of somewhere else, you must either go do your service or maybe pay a fine depending on the country.

You also get treated differently if things go wrong. Foreigners are entitled in most cases to diplomatic assistance from the representatives of their country. Your country can't necessarily do much for you, but typically you will get that phone call home to let loved ones know what happened, they can find a lawyer who speaks your language (but you'll need to find a way to pay them), if there's some paperwork snafu they might be able to help (often for a fee). It's at least nice, if you're jailed or in hospital after surprise food poisoning or whatever, to hear somebody who speaks your language.

None of this applies to dual citizens. You're "home" from their point of view, so no need to contact your diplomatic representative, maybe you have never been there since the day you were born and can't speak a word of the language but too bad.

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Post by epistasis »

sokoloff wrote: post #175
mcmcmc wrote: post #132

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Rights and benefits are two different things, surely you aren’t that dumb. Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security or a US Passport?

> Do you think non-citizens can get Social Security I know they can (because I checked).

If they have paid into it like anybody else, crucially. They met their responsibilities.

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Post by copperx »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #192
bakies wrote: post #144

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Isn't that a work visa and not an immigrant visa

H-1B / L-1 are non-immigrant visas, immigrant visas are green cards yes. Pausing green card processing in consulates after (on sketchy legal grounds) forcing folks to not do adjustment of status for getting an immigrant visa inside the country is, indeed, how the admin is trying to get around doing their job the way the INA intends them to.

H-1B is dual intent, isn't it?

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Post by epistasis »

erkt wrote: post #66
hvb2 wrote: post #15

So for those that don't know, it's quite common for a visa renewal to be required to leave the country. Depending on the visa, you might have to do this every year. So just imagine, having a normal job in the US and you're asked to leave to renew your visa and this stuff happens. That's no more appointment, not even a new date and you're now very likely unable to work and possibly can't even enter the country to get…

Inhumane maybe, but our government should owe its first allegiance to our citizens wellbeing, not imported workers.

How, in any way does this help the wellbeing of a citizen? Why bring up that very strange point, which is completely unconnected to the massive harm here.

If anything, these policies harm the citizens of the US in a myriad of ways. There's zero benefit to be had from any of this. Except for the joy tha tthe cruel feel in causing others misery, but that's not citizens, that's just a few sick people.

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Post by Izikiel43 »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #213
sinecure wrote: post #97

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This was never about talent. It's about companies hiring foreigners on h1b visas at below market wages where their life in the USA is contingent on their job performance forcing them to work harder and longer than their peers to remain in the country. It's a situation that only benefits companies, while harming US citizens who have to compete with the lower wages of foreigners.

And yet, they never applied the simple option of ranking the visa applications by salary, and approving in order of demand for the talent. That would be a market based solution that allows everyone to get the talent they need without driving down American wages. But the point isn't about helping Americans, it's about being peedormatively against letting in brown people.

They are doing that now too, however the problem is that h1b is used for roles outside of tech, believe it or not, and if you measure everything by Bay Area tech salaries a bunch of necessary but lower paying jobs will go unfilled

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Post by whatever1 »

logicchains wrote: post #230
doug_durham wrote: post #214

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It's clear you are not a hiring manager. There aren't thousands of highly qualified engineers looking for work. I can't tell if this a troll post or not.

They would be looking for work with you if you were offering them better pay and conditions than where they're currently working.

Money does not fix the supply problem the parent comment pointed out (at least for fields that need multi year training).

Let’s say that tomorrow we need 1M nuclear physicists. How can money help? You still need to wait for the talent pipeline to divert.

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