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Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by foobarian »

debo_ wrote: post #19
dostick wrote: post #13

> We have to think now about how to reduce job losses so that everyone can share in the prosperity that AI creates. And I thought he is a smart man. This is so last century thinking. We need to prepare that there will definitely be no jobs for everyone and that will be falling all the time, it’s not a one-time event you should “prepare for”. There’s nothing to prepare, we already have funds and productivity to feed a…

I support UBI and wealth taxes, but I also think generally that will be a difficult transition in terms of social upheaval. There are so many people I know who are financially well-off but completely fall apart when there is no visible professional hierarchy to give them meaning. One would hope that this would still go down better than destituting large percentages of the world population, but I wonder.

Wonder if there should be a "UBI reservation" set up where everyone gets it, and very basic needs like housing and food are taken care of in a self-sustaining manner with machines. (which is the whole premise, everything is automated so nobody needs to work). Then people who don't like the freeloading can opt out and live as usual, and those who like it can move to the reservation.

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by cindyllm »

buellerbueller wrote: post #170
sophrosyne42 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no functional difference between the statement "democracy is subverted by a grand corporate conspiracy" and "our elections are invalid", because the only way the former happens is if the latter happens. If the latter didn't happen, then you're just upset about the outcome of a legitimate election. Which is a fair thing to be in a democracy, but it does not mean that the whole system is corrupt. Insistence th…

Pure sophistry! The popular conception (and platonic ideal, hence the popular conception) of our democratic republic is that of equal representation. Our system favors candidates with money; the system is corrupt and to say so is merely stating a fact. But hey, lick boots if you wanna. It seems to be the tech way these days.

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Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by CuriouslyC »

tttrr wrote: post #130
tartuffe78 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't want to live like that. They want AC, central plumbing, trendy food, and cheap clothing.

He’s a delusional idiot Let’s ask him straight - would he be ok living like that? Lmfao Lots of looney tunes comments on this thread

For the record, I'm into permaculture/regenerative agriculture and enjoy the lifestyle, all I need is shared satellite internet. If my choice was between working 60 hours a week at 3 jobs to barely keep my head above water, or live in an agricultural commune, I would take the commune every time.

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by madaxe_again »

YackerLose wrote: post #21
dostick wrote: post #13

> We have to think now about how to reduce job losses so that everyone can share in the prosperity that AI creates. And I thought he is a smart man. This is so last century thinking. We need to prepare that there will definitely be no jobs for everyone and that will be falling all the time, it’s not a one-time event you should “prepare for”. There’s nothing to prepare, we already have funds and productivity to feed a…

Somehow, I don't think the people with all the money, gunmen and (soon) robots will be OK with the world you envision.

Indeed. Far more likely, a more economic human is engineered.

Oryx and Crake, I think, was the first time I encountered that idea.

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by RunSet »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #49
swed420 wrote: post #12

> Instead, solutions should be developed through a public democratic process that includes elected officials, policymakers, educators, health workers, local officials, and community leaders. Millions of people will have their lives disrupted, and we’ll need a stronger, more flexible social safety net to help them manage the transition. Local communities are already raising concerns about the energy and water needed f…

Election denialism is unbecoming of anyone with a brain

"What I want to do is this. I just want to find, uh, 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph...

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by RunSet »

seydor wrote: post #76

- If AI and robots are as good as Bill suggests , one can infer that AI will signal the end of cities, at least the end of megacities. If the home robot can clean and cook and also do my taxes, hair, and diagnose my health , one is more likely to escape unemployment by moving to a small town where he can find land and resources, and use robots to exploit them, just like humans have always done when economy was based…

I will believe that "AI will do all the work" when private prisons stop contracting inmates to do slave labor and employers stop hiring undocumented migrant workers.

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by FeloniousHam »

GPerson wrote: post #171
sophrosyne42 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is. If you insist that the result of a democratic election does not reflect the will of the people, that , and nothing else, is election denialism.

No it’s not. Election denialism in 2026 in an American context refers to Donald Trump and his supporters denying the results of the 2020 election (and related claims). Pretending that capital does not significantly affect our elections contributes to the deterioration of democracy. If you actually don’t believe capital plays an outsized role in elections and government then take a gander at the Wikipedia page called…

If "capital interests" (ugh, capitalism) controlled democracy, please esplain:

- Michael Bloomberg - Hillary Clinton (both in the 2008 primary and 2016 general) - Alex Vindman ...

a simple Google search reveals that while there is some threshold amount of dosh necessary to get noticed, _more money != more votes_. To believe otherwise is is willful ignorance. Sometimes your favorite candidate loses because the median actual voter (you know, the guy who actual fills out the form) prefers the status quo for their own reasons and not because they're brainwashed or whatever it is that "capital interests" do to them.

Re: Bill Gates: The turbulent AI era is here

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Post by RunSet »

shay_ker wrote: post #45

> In the United States, I’ve met families who, understandably, were overwhelmed by the process of applying for health insurance, student aid, or food assistance. Faced with a huge stack of complicated bureaucratic forms, many felt like giving up. AI can streamline things dramatically I'd love to see anyone building Grokbot or ChatGPT Work talk about how they're thinking about this use case, specifically. It seems gre…

At least as likely LLMs will be used to create more labyrinthine paperwork to stymie attempts at getting government to serve the taxpayer.
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