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Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by dborovikov »

MarkSweep wrote: post #345
donatj wrote: post #151

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The same kind as a similar recent post [1] where a person pointed out a bunch of problems with Omarchy's shell scripts as examples of it being terrible. Open a pull request. That's how this is supposed to work. Wisdom of the crowd and what not. 1. https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/a-word-on-omarchy/

Thanks for sharing the link. I think it provides a lot of reasons why installing Omarchy or opening a pull request would be a waste of time. I can’t fix fundamental design flaws in a PR. I don’t want to try to fix apps written in Bash and QML & vanilla JavaScript. There are other ecosystems out there that are built on stronger foundations I can (and do) contribute my time to.

Well, as far as I know, the internal config systems of most popular distros like Debian, Arch, even NixOS are all Bash. There is nothing that makes Omarchy fundamentally bad design; it's pretty average.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by andybak »

torstenvl wrote: post #279
andybak wrote: post #251

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"Proofs" in this sense of the word are things that apply to mathematics and formal systems. Language is squishy. A minimal counterexample is potentially squishy enough to be meaningless.

Incorrect. "all software is political" is a proposition; it can be true or false. If any minimal counterexample exists, then "all software is political" must necessarily be false.

It can also be "mostly true but exaggerated for polemic effect".

Or your definition of political might be different to the speakers.

Or it could be intended to highlight a way of perceiving the world and thus not be subject to truth claims.

Etc. This list can be extended indefinitely.

Language is not a game of symbol manipulation.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by busterarm »

rpcope1 wrote: post #360
busterarm wrote: post #257

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> Personally I like my Linux distro like my coffee: competently managed, with a minimum of drama and with having to hear the less assholes possible. I've been using Linux since 1993 and at various points every distro under the sun and that perfectly describes exactly zero Linux distributions.

I mean, I feel like Debian has come pretty close to that for the last decade or two.

That's a reputation it had in the 90s to early 00s and has long since lost. Even in recent years the drama within Debian has been incredibly high.

A lot happened in debian-private, despite "We will not hide problems" being part of the project's social contract, and then leaks started happening and all hell broke loose. I didn't even mention the decade-long community censorship campaign yet. Or the Volunteer Day suicide. Or the "Please write a list of 5 Debian Developers you would like to kick out of the project." DPL election question. Or banning Linus from DebConf...

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Post by CuriouslyC »

thesuitonym wrote: post #342
CuriouslyC wrote: post #238

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10 years ago Joe Rogan was basically a stereotypical Bernie bro.

10 years ago Joe Rogan was a well known douchebag far-right conspiracy theorist, what are you talking about?

Not a Joe fan but his arc started at socially liberal/economically libertarian.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by ndiddy »

speak_plainly wrote: post #102
jeffnv wrote: post #39

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Is it? What's the statement?

That OSS has become too entangled with political activism and ideological gatekeeping, when it should be about making great software, giving people control over their computers, and rediscovering the joy of computing. I don't think Omarchy is anti-political so much as an attempt to revive the enthusiast/hacker ethos of the OSS community.

Maybe DHH should live by his own ethos and "shut up and program" rather than continually making divisive political statements that alienate people who might otherwise use and contribute to his distro.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by CuriouslyC »

timbits98 wrote: post #300
CuriouslyC wrote: post #233

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The main case for Omarchy to me is the OOTB experience, which is more "good to go" than pretty much any other distro, also the hotkeys and config setup are both power user friendly. You are correct that updates have had brick-risk, though I think they've gotten better. I prefer some elements of plasma to the hyprland setup, but agents are very good at making config changes, it's much faster than navigating menus or f…

Hmm ... but take any mainstream desktop Linux. Let's say Ubuntu or one of its official flavors, or Linux Mint. What about them is less 'good to go'?

More stuff people actually use is installed by default with Omarchy, whereas Ubuntu packages a lot of stuff I don't think people use to try and come to checkbox parity to windows, while missing useful commercial software. Omarchy comes with vscode, 1password, obsidian, chromium, discord, docker, OBS, zoom, signal/whatsapp, etc pre rolled and configured.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by [deleted] »

gilrain wrote: post #139
IshKebab wrote: post #94

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I wonder if that will change now he's gone from edgy opinions that rile up woke people (e.g. immigration is too high in the UK) to actually advocating ethnic cleansing (not the murdery kind but still...). https://world.hey.com/dhh/three-sacred-cows-that-must-die-so... I think that crosses a line for even normal politically centrist (by European standards at least).

His rhetoric has crossed into the murdery kind, actually: > When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. You don't get to make this contrast and pretend you didn't. The only way his rhetoric could be more clear is if he bought a gun and shot them himself.

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Post by Kudos »

safety1st wrote: post #291
teekert wrote: post #196

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Thank you, this is exactly my experience with reporting on Omarchy. There is a small vocal group that is very determined to pull politics into it somehow, but to most (a more silent, big majority) this is not even known. I.e., when Omarchy is reported on in my country (on local blogs) nobody ever replies with anything political, it's just about the tech. But in some circles this is very different, somehow.

Yes it is wild. Within minutes, what I posted has attracted about 8 different "anti-fascist political extremist" comments all agreeing with each other and attacking me. Once again, Omarchy itself is not political, and the vast majority of coverage isn't either, but there is this... circle? Or minority group that will self-generate a furor whenever it comes up. Through posting volume this small minority can drown all…

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Post by petesergeant »

rbanffy wrote: post #335
leoqa wrote: post #333

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Don’t be hyperbolic. Enforcing immigration policy isn’t a crime against humanity.

Forced relocation is defined as a crime against humanity.

“when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population” which I don’t think this really clears, as objectionable as his comments may be

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaypath wrote: post #311
meibo wrote: post #283

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The fact that this is up for debate already says all. For anyone passing through, read the blog posts and his social media feeds, make up your own mind.

>The fact that this is up for debate already says all "The fact that Mamdani is an antisemite is up for debate already says all." Many people repeating fake news does not make it true.

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