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Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by safety1st »

teekert wrote: post #196
safety1st wrote: post #153

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Thank you, this is exactly my experience with reporting on Omarchy. There is a small vocal group that is very determined to pull politics into it somehow, but to most (a more silent, big majority) this is not even known. I.e., when Omarchy is reported on in my country (on local blogs) nobody ever replies with anything political, it's just about the tech. But in some circles this is very different, somehow.

Yes it is wild. Within minutes, what I posted has attracted about 8 different "anti-fascist political extremist" comments all agreeing with each other and attacking me. Once again, Omarchy itself is not political, and the vast majority of coverage isn't either, but there is this... circle? Or minority group that will self-generate a furor whenever it comes up. Through posting volume this small minority can drown all other topics out.

It's important for us to start recognizing and dialing down this extremist political rage from a minority of people that dominates and ruins so many corners of the Internet. Like if you don't like whatever the guy who started the Omarchy project believes in, go donate to the opposite side or whatever, but leave the people who just want to make their PCs cooler alone.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by evilduck »

kristofferR wrote: post #212
rblatz wrote: post #170

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What about the people who have no idea who DHH is, what he stands for, and have heard about Omarchy for the first time just now and are trying to figure out what it even is and suddenly people are talking in circles about him being eccentric or problematic.

Yeah, this is so annoying. I switched to Omarchy 4.0 from CachyOS and is having an amazing experience so far, barely know anything about DHH other than that he made Rails, and now everybody is calling me a racist sympathizer.

Omarchy is just a pile of settings and a branding, you could have configured Cachy similarly and wouldn't have to associate yourself with the racists. Be careful of the company you keep.

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Post by busterarm »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #177
donatj wrote: post #151

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The same kind as a similar recent post [1] where a person pointed out a bunch of problems with Omarchy's shell scripts as examples of it being terrible. Open a pull request. That's how this is supposed to work. Wisdom of the crowd and what not. 1. https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/a-word-on-omarchy/

You're not suggesting that you can't criticize something unless you're willing to fix it yourself, are you?

The bar is a lot higher when you're empowered and capable.

Like a lot a lot a lot.

And that's before we had LLMs writing code. So really it's basically orbital now.

The fractional pennies in tokens it could have taken to fix this would cost less than their web traffic bill. But alas, if you fix it and put in a PR, that doesn't get you the eyeballs and social good-boy points that a blog post appealing to correct politics does.

Why fix when you can farm?

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Post by ed_voc »

tao_oat wrote: post #87
krisroadruck wrote: post #51

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I think there is a pretty decent swath of people willing to rally behind someone who says they are trying to make a cool project specifically for people who want to be away from the "insufferable injection of identity politics". How large that swath is relative to the other is up for debate but it doesn't have to be particularly large. You'll get funding from people who are both interested in the actual product AND t…

dhh is very strongly associated with identity politics, though? (as in, "western"/white identity)

Are there any examples of identity politics influencing the Omarchy product?

I think the comment is more about how identity politics kept infecting products through 'woke 1.0'. donglegate, language policing, default branch names, speaker progressive stacks, diversity hiring practices and blacklisting. I don't think I've seen these political issues influence DHH products the same way.

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Post by neonnoodle »

jeffnv wrote: post #39
Retr0id wrote: post #26

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It's a political statement disguised as a FOSS project (which itself is fine, all software is political). The funders are not funding the development of a Linux distro, they are co-signing the political statement.

Is it? What's the statement?

It's 14 words long.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by rbanffy »

qup wrote: post #127
phendrenad2 wrote: post #54

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Of course it differs by the individual. I think there are three camps: Those who have read DHH's blog posts, and agree with them. Those who have read DHH's blog posts, but think "he couldn't possibly mean that". Those who haven't read DHH's blog posts, but know that he's on "their side" (right-leaning).

You seem to be talking about users. They're talking about creators. I don't think users know who DHH is, or care who DHH is. Probably like 0.01% of users have read a blog post, let alone a political one. (Maybe they all are, I haven't read any)

It still feels like they are supporting a notorious neofascist.

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Post by simlevesque »

gilrain wrote: post #162
ricardobeat wrote: post #93

The two linked issues are for the same bug report. A friend has been urging me to install Omarchy for months. I’ve finally caved in after a horrible experience with highly-praised CachyOS. All I can say is, I understand the hype. It works. The install is uncomplicated, no selecting from five legacy bootloaders, choosing versions or selecting a window manager. The tiled window manager works pretty much how I already u…

So, a Linux distribution.

It's a bash script over a distribution.

Re: Omarchy development practices lead to predictable security issues

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Post by ath3nd »

quotemstr wrote: post #264
TehCorwiz wrote: post #143

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"Freedom to compute" cannot be separated from "Freedom to exist" as it explicitly depends on it. The authors of Omarchy pay lip service to the former while taking a stance against the latter.

No, it is definitely possible to make great software without inserting messaging on irrelevant issues into it. Whatever the quality of Omarchy, DHH is right about parts of the free software world becoming entangled worth various irrelevant causes.

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Post by timbits98 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #233
Aurornis wrote: post #159

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> Closest thing to the “it just works” experience that Mac was always known for I see this repeated a lot, but the people I know who tried Omarchy were always fixing something or dealing with breakage from an update. The best argument I’ve heard for Omarchy that is actually consistent with what I’ve observed is that it ships with cool looking default configs for everything that make it feel fun to use. The belief tha…

The main case for Omarchy to me is the OOTB experience, which is more "good to go" than pretty much any other distro, also the hotkeys and config setup are both power user friendly. You are correct that updates have had brick-risk, though I think they've gotten better. I prefer some elements of plasma to the hyprland setup, but agents are very good at making config changes, it's much faster than navigating menus or f…

Hmm ... but take any mainstream desktop Linux. Let's say Ubuntu or one of its official flavors, or Linux Mint. What about them is less 'good to go'?
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