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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by hgomersall »

latexr wrote: post #571
hgomersall wrote: post #565

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Even benefits etc are too late. The money should be spent on providing hope for people. It's 45 years of neoliberalism that we are reaping.

> The money should be spent on providing hope for people. How do you suggest that would work? Obviously you can’t just buy hope, so could you provide some specific ideas?

Yes, develop an economy that is not run for rent seekers. Provide a job guarantee so everyone can work at a wage floor. Build housing stock that is actually affordable and desirable for anyone on a normal wage. Make sure healthcare is affordable and available universally. Provide schools that are good regardless of where you live or what you can afford. Those things would be a start.

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Post by x-complexity »

tomrod wrote: post #648
mancerayder wrote: post #638

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How is that not connected to police enforcement, though? In Europe and now the US the new generations are anti-police, anti-enforcement and generally consider authority and rules to be proof of an unjust society (X group is N percent more likely to receive a criminal summons when ..). In the US in slow motion we could see a world in which you could go to a big chain pharmacy and retrieve your own toothpaste and shamp…

Enforcement is an external impetus. Internal impetus are better to cultivate. I can't answer how cultures tend to differ here from my limited vantage point, so what I'm really saying is respect doesn't come by itself typically.

> Enforcement is an external impetus. Internal impetus are better to cultivate.

Internal impetus cannot be cultivated if the youth do not want or desire to be taught cultivation.

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

rendall wrote: post #516

> "If you’ve ever been wandering the streets of Chicago or New York, wondering why there’s no place to pee..." Oh, there are places to pee, if you're brave. My last venture into a NYC public restroom was the one at Sun Yat-sen Plaza, which is under a beautiful pavilion. There was a man hanging around the urinals without apparent purpose other than staring at me because of course there was. There was only 1 working st…

That's a nice park. Most dudes I assume piss on the sidewalk.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by tempfile »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #724
tempfile wrote: post #700

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> have you ever considered it strange that you're unable to relate to why someone would want to do something for fun? What a bizarre extrapolation. They just don't see why smashing up bus stops is fun. Maybe you can answer, what's fun about it? I don't get it either. I was a teenager once, I don't see why destroying things that are useful for everyone (including you) would be fun.

It's fair game. In short, it reads like, "I don't understand the motivations behind this behavior, and here's what needs to happen to stop it." If you want to change something, understanding it is a very good first step. Usually it means you're on the path toward finding a cure rather than simply treating symptoms.

Of course understanding is a good first step. However the onus is I think on the antisocial one to explain themselves. Of course I did ask exactly what you suggested, and they didn't reply. So maybe just stopping them without understanding would be ok in this case.

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Post by leansensei »

dcrazy wrote: post #803
nobodywillobsrv wrote: post #802

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It's funny to read HN comments where people can sort of describe the problems but can't really describe the problems

Then please, do everyone a favor and describe the problem.

Unchecked immigration, lax policing.

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Post by tomrod »

x-complexity wrote: post #832
tomrod wrote: post #648

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Enforcement is an external impetus. Internal impetus are better to cultivate. I can't answer how cultures tend to differ here from my limited vantage point, so what I'm really saying is respect doesn't come by itself typically.

> Enforcement is an external impetus. Internal impetus are better to cultivate. Internal impetus cannot be cultivated if the youth do not want or desire to be taught cultivation.

Ish. Spare the rod, spoil the child type approaches haven't seemed to hold true in my experience.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

baublet wrote: post #585
phendrenad2 wrote: post #301

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The replies here really exemplify the core reason we have this problem - about 50% of the population (on HN, probably more outside of HN) doesn't understand that everything has an economic cost, and cleaning hepititis-infected needles and excrement smears up all day is an extremely costly activity, not just because no one wants to do it, but because if someone gets sick they'll sue the city for tens millions of dolla…

This thread is more a reminder of how easy it will be to find people to man the gas chambers when Republicans turn their sights on the homeless. Some wretched dehumanizing of people here.

Correct, as evidence, look how easy it was to make you overlook the current abuses of the homeless (at the hands of corrupt nonprofits) because it doesn't look sufficiently fascist to trigger you.

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Post by _rwo »

freetime2 wrote: post #149

Public toilets are one thing that I really appreciate about living in Japan. It seems like you're never too far away from a toilet - whether it be in a neighborhood park, a roadside parking area, train station, convenience store, etc. And they tend to be pretty clean (at least as far as public restooms go), not something that I dread using like I do many public restrooms in the US. Japan seems to be just about a best…

I just LOVE that you can find a public (and well maintained that) toilet in Japan within a walking distance wherever you are. It's just so... civilized.

I often see ppl urinating in the public here in Europe - taxi drivers in the bushes where I talk walks, two days ago I saw elder folks just doing it near the sidewalk; but can I blame them? - often you just can't find a goddamn toilet even if you want to; so humiliating when you're just forced to do it because of - you know - body

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Post by alt227 »

profdevloper wrote: post #775
alt227 wrote: post #584

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> You don't like the discussion? Its nothing to do with not liking the discussion. People who have no idea about the research done in to homelessness, have not spoken to hundreds of homeless people or worked in support services to actually genuinely know about the situation are just causing more issues and hindering progress. Rough sleeping has been a thing as long as humans have been on the earth, and uninformed peo…

What recourse do those of us who want to live in a clean productive society have while we wait for the world's sociologists to finally figure out a solution to the homelessness problem? I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see panhandlers, drug addled zombies, and schizophrenics out of all public spaces.

Perhaps some sympathy and care towards your fellow man would help?

Your attitude towards them being a nuisance is what needs to change. For example you could easily go out today and invite a rough sleeper to come back and stay at your place for a few nights. That would get one of them off the streets immediately.

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