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Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by peterfirefly »

obelos wrote: post #484
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #390

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Because you're a decent person. Or, put another way, if you choose to disregard the social contract, you show your lack of quality of character. Either way, it's still a choice and not forced upon people by their circumstances.

“You have nothing, sure, but you still better participate in this social contract that has actually offered you no security or even basic shelter, else we give you even less nothing.” Like... why? Why would that person care? It's called the social contract, not the social religion. A contract has terms that are supposed to be fulfilled by both parties. If one party isn't holding up their end, why would the other?

If your antisocial protagonist chooses to destroy something then he or she is not "giving the finger to the man" or anything like that. He or she is making life worse for other people, most likely normal people who have not done anything whatsoever to ruin the life of your poor widdle antisocial hero. Meanwhile, the billionaires will not be affected much.

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Post by samus »

xp84 wrote: post #721
dgoldstein0 wrote: post #460

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SF - and probably much of the US homeless problem elsewhere - is largely cost of housing; rent and home prices are ridiculous enough that if you don't make big bucks, you are likely barely scraping by. Rents here are rising way faster than inflation, and it makes everything more expensive and means a lot more people are living that much closer to not being able to pay their rent. Way easier to end up homeless after l…

> SF - problem... is largely cost of housing Are you talking about the homeless who are actually causing any problems (the chronic homeless)? Or the meaningless statistical group of "Everyone who doesn't have their own/rented home today"? > Way easier to end up homeless after losing your job when paying 3k/month in rent than 1k/month Any person without serious mental and/or substance problems can handle losing their…

> Any person without serious mental and/or substance problems can handle losing their job without sleeping in the streets.

This statement is very load-bearing in your whole argument though. Losing a job can completely derail a person's daily habits and cause their issues to worsen, either by the additional stress or by forgetting to keep their meds. It's downhill from there.

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Post by gjm11 »

marknutter wrote: post #704
gjm11 wrote: post #607

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My impression was that OP was using it rather fuzzily, conflating "poor" and "bad" and "unpleasant to be around" and whatever other notions of "bottom" might be floating in the air, in the service of a general air of contempt toward Those People. I took it to mean wealth when talking about taxes, to mean behaviour when talking about laws and risks to life and property, and to be deliberately ambiguous when talking ab…

> My impression was that OP was using it rather fuzzily, conflating "poor" and "bad" and "unpleasant to be around" and whatever other notions of "bottom" might be floating in the air, in the service of a general air of contempt toward Those People. That assumption says a lot more about you that it does the person you were responding to.

It's a guess rather than an assumption -- I wouldn't be astonished if it turned out to be a wrong guess -- but there was a reason for it: some of the comment seemed to require "bottom" to be about wealth, and other bits seemed to require it to be about behaviour. But, again, I could very well be wrong.

Would you care to suggest a concrete definition of "bottom quintile" according to which the claims made by black6 are true?

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by gjm11 »

modo_mario wrote: post #718
gjm11 wrote: post #612

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Here is the actual thing they published (and unpublished shortly after, after backlash stoked by the right-wing press): https://web.archive.org/web/20250929053102/https://www.genom... Readers may judge for themselves how accurate the description above is. A few further remarks. --1-- Many many many things that are unwise and can increase pressure on communities' resources are not illegal . You have the right to try t…

Regarding point 1 I refer to point 3 and regarding point 3 i refer to point 1.

I don't think I understand; would you care to be more explicit?

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Post by profdevloper »

alt227 wrote: post #584
kakacik wrote: post #577

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Nah problem doesn't go away if you hide it, it just festers in echo chambers and then bites back when you least expect it, with unexpected ferocity (cue last elections). This is open forum, let people voice their ideas even if you strongly oppose them. At least then folks don't live in illusion how rest of society has similar opinions on it as they do. I strongly oppose apple or meta for example, but asking for bans…

> You don't like the discussion? Its nothing to do with not liking the discussion. People who have no idea about the research done in to homelessness, have not spoken to hundreds of homeless people or worked in support services to actually genuinely know about the situation are just causing more issues and hindering progress. Rough sleeping has been a thing as long as humans have been on the earth, and uninformed peo…

What recourse do those of us who want to live in a clean productive society have while we wait for the world's sociologists to finally figure out a solution to the homelessness problem? I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see panhandlers, drug addled zombies, and schizophrenics out of all public spaces.

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Post by nonford150 »

lux-lux-lux wrote: post #763
xp84 wrote: post #707

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Capitulating to the antisocial persons by just giving up just sends a message to others that this behavior is acceptable. It moves the Overton window. Someone who used to think turnstile hopping was the kind of thing only crooks and low-lifes do sees people doing it more and more, witnesses and hears about how there are no consequences, and can't help but reframe it as more like driving 70 in a 65mph zone -- a harmle…

I much prefer targeting more pressing antisocial behaviors while not excessively wasting public funds, something the Mamdani administration has been doing quite efficiently e.g. with the pied-à-terre tax. You seem angry about that, for some reason.

Not sure how you can justify the pied-a-terre tax by claiming it fights against antisocial behaviors. It just is another funding stream.

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Post by parineum »

samus wrote: post #767
parineum wrote: post #757

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> EU/US just think that's dumb thing to teach because "eww collectivism" and even the weird conservative people going on about rules usually don't even want that. It's interesting to me to call out conservatives here as they are typically the ones touting community responsibilities through social norms. Despite the socialism (non-derogotarily) lean of the left, I would still consider them more individualistic, social…

> I think you'd find less graffiti in a rural bathroom than a large city bathroom. IMHO that's purely due to differences in population density.

I'm not sure that matters so much, a toilet can only handle so much traffic. I suspect a wal-mart bathroom sees similar traffic, regardless of location.

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Post by Dusseldorf »

kazinator wrote: post #228
seszett wrote: post #69

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Oh I don't doubt you, I was just reflecting that I think that paid toilets have largely been made free in the last 10 years or so. But I'm sure there still exist quite a few, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were especially found in right-wing cities like Nice.

The modern toilet should let you pay with your personal info: Toilet: "Sign up (learn more) or proceed with Google Account ..." Google: "pissoir.fr wants access to your pissing history ...(Y/n)" Toilet: By pissing here, you consent to the collection and analysis of urine samples .. :)

My town in the US has something like this. Several portable toilet trailers that are typically stationed near public gathering areas all year round, and moved to accommodate large events. They're significantly nicer than porta potties, and are about on par with any public bathroom accessed from outside. They require the ability to either scan a QR code, or send/receive SMS. They've always been clean any time I've used them, and have some mechanisms to report cleanliness issues back to toilet HQ.

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Post by shadow28 »

cheonjc40 wrote: post #609
nradov wrote: post #322

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That seems hard to believe. I've been in many tech company offices around the US and they're usually fine. Where is your office located? What are the national origins of your co-workers?

> That seems hard to believe. I've been in many tech company offices around the US and they're usually fine. > What are the national origins of your co-workers? Probably Indian or South Asian. Look at how dirty they behave in their own community (Sunnyvale, California) Meanwhile bathrooms and in nearby Cupertino, Mountain View and even San Jose are much cleaner.

There's tons of Indians in Cupertino and Mountain View as well, so I don't know what your comment was trying to prove, apart from openly displaying your prejudice and racism.

Re: Where did all the public bathrooms go?

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Post by yboris »

Otterly99 wrote: post #663
yboris wrote: post #246

They're all in Tokyo ;) My all-time-favorite film is Perfect Days depicting days in the life of a sanitation worker overseeing toilets around Tokyo. A must-watch film! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Days

I also was thinking of this film, however I found it really dull. What did you like about it? I'm not trying to diss you, I usually like contemplative movies but this one was just too repetitive for my taste.

I resonated with what seemed to be a portrayal of appreciation of daily life and work (even if it isn't glamorous or cushiony).

The daily pause the main character makes as he leaves for work -- looking up at the sky, to be present and notice.

I loved the concept depicted in several scenes of the main character interacting with someone unknown through a tic-tac-toe game: finding a whimsical connection rather than throwing out the piece of paper.

The depiction of tender relationships between people.

It's a quiet film, comparatively, almost nothing happens. I found it very beautiful.

I was thrilled to learn the word komorebi - sunlight leaking through trees.

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