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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by JacobKfromIRC »

icantevenhold wrote: post #380
bobim wrote: post #379

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It might be small cost in retrospect.

Nah I sunk many thousands of hours into these accounts; definitely not a small cost. Sure I could get a new account and pay twice for the game I already purchased multiple times - that would’ve ground my gears too

I think the new account would have to be a Microsoft account also, so you wouldn't have even gained anything by not migrating.

Some servers allow joining without a Microsoft account even these days, but probably can't play on any of the servers you regularly play on, if you don't have a Microsoft account.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by Ohentis »

kbelder wrote: post #225
jkaplowitz wrote: post #150

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It says that about the C2PA content credentials metadata, but not about the modified image pixels.

Conversion from jpg to bmp to jpg is a lossy process, so it may obscure the watermarked pixels.

If it works anything like synthid, it is more resilient than that.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by vorpalhex »

rietta wrote: post #404
ozereray1 wrote: post #338

Injecting hidden GUIDs into local files without explicit user consent is a massive privacy overreach. It makes you wonder what other local tools are silently tagging user generated content.

I am doing metadata auditing for government documents these days and there are UUIDs in lots of files going back a very long time. I have certainly seen them in PDFs and Word and Excel documents that long predated the current AI integrations. Edit to add: I just tested LibreOffice/26.2.5.2 and it is not injecting a UUID into the metadata either for a ODT or a DOCx (2007) file. I do not have native MS Office available…

Do you keep a list you can share? I'd love if there was a semi-authoritative list.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by janc_ »

dbmnt wrote: post #243
hiccuphippo wrote: post #167

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Can this also be weaponized? Get an innocuous image from someone you don't like, grab their GUID, add it to another image, sent it to the thin skinned politician in power.

No, because the GU in GUID stands for globally unique. Adding it to a second image would cause a detectable collision. Also, C2PA, another technology mentioned in the article, means tampering is easily detected.

Collision only detectable when you have both messages. Detecting a forgery seems more likely.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Retr0id wrote: post #56
hypfer wrote: post #43

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Precisely. Now take that, but glue a "the machine has cryptographically proven that this is legit" to that.

Yes, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

It's a disaster that's already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by janc_ »

mschuster91 wrote: post #291
drdexebtjl wrote: post #208

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We gotta stop normalizing that. Why do you need my address to receive my money? My birth date? Even in places with strong privacy regulations requiring businesses not to collect data they don’t need, businesses apparently get away with asking this.

The problem is CC processors. You can get away as a merchant with just a number and expiration date, that's the minimum you need to process a CC payment, but you pay exorbitantly higher fees. The more details you collect and pass on, the lower your processor's risk fee will be because the more info, the more likely it is that the customer is actually the cardholder and not using fraudulently obtained data. And as soo…

In the rest of the world CC processing uses a PIN code + online revocation check (when the card is present) or a redirect through your bank (which hopefully uses some type of 2FA). Works a lot better & safer, and you should wonder why they pretend to need to violate your privacy in the USA…

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by JacobKfromIRC »

fchicken wrote: post #390
account42 wrote: post #315

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Except once printed its at least hard to remove the dots. Image based watermarks are trivial to destroy if you know they are there.

tbh so is circumventing those dots. It doesn't make it any better

How do you circumvent printer dots? I don't see how that could be trivial.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by inigyou »

picofarad wrote: post #433
inigyou wrote: post #364

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It's already illegal to not watermark an AI image.

Oh I didn't know I was going to break the law today just using automatic1111 stable diffusion. I'll call my lawyer.

You do that.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Post by inigyou »

throw101010 wrote: post #429
inigyou wrote: post #414

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You definitely shouldn't assert that someone is antisemitic based on the current US House, even if bi-partisan. And I thought bills of attainder were unconstitutional? To answer your question of why, it's probably because they make money.

There are plenty of evidence of Hasan Piker's antisemitism to the point that people have been collecting and contextualizing them: https://whoishasanpiker.com/antisemitism Also plenty of groups fighting against racism and antisemitism have come out against him (ADL, AJC), it's easy to Google. That House resolution is just the latest good indication that it's not just some isolated incidents. Piker's only answers are…

I only skimmed the first half of this list but I believe truth is an absolute defense to antisemitism just like defamation, right? You're really gonna say that "netanyahu is a jewish supremacist" is antisemitism, when it's well documented and probably relevant to whatever he was talking about at the time?

He must've really pissed someone off to get his own hate site. I think we all know who he pissed off. That hate site would be illegal in the EU btw.

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