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New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by frollogaston »

rjrjrjrj wrote: post #89
jgwil2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all you want to do is remote into your desktop, Neo seems like overkill. Why not just get a $200 Chromebook and save yourself $500?

Because the screen, keyboard, and especially trackpad on a $200 Chromebook sucks?

Also it'll be truly too slow. You need to at least be able to access a shared document while a video call is going.

The funniest recurring thing when working at Google was new hires getting baited into taking a Chromebook, then not being able to switch to a Mac for like 2 years. Our team made sure new people didn't fall for that.

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Post by doctoboggan »

> Apple’s most powerful Mac raises the bar for local AI

Wow, "Local AI" mentioned in the subheading above the fold - it's really awesome to see Apple leaning into this use case and I think it will definitely pay off for them going forward. Fingers crossed Apple is able to put some engineering effort towards shipping with one of the frontier open weight models included and optimized exactly for the machine.

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Post by root_axis »

blints wrote: post #12

10 grand for 256GB memory. Likely double that for 512GB, but won't be available or finalized until October. Thunderbolt 5 is highest bandwidth external IO available at 120Gb/s. 1.2TB/s claimed max internal memory bandwidth. Not exactly "future proof" for >1T parameter models but good for targeting specific lower-parameter models, or if you can rely on pipeline parallelism and run a cluster.

There is no "future proof" for >1T param models, there is no present or future where you can run a model that size on consumer hardware.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by drnick1 »

Why doesn't Apple make a tower PC with a standard ATX motherboard, power supply, extension cards, etc, like in the old days? That's immensely more upgradable, easier to cool, and I don't believe most people expect their desktops PCs to be tiny.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by xhkkffbf »

ahknight wrote: post #149
Gareth321 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supply rumours are next year we see an M7 AI-focused chip with large inference performance upgrades. It's unlikely we'll see heavy upgrades in other areas. If you care about AI, it's worth waiting. If you don't, pull the trigger now. RAM constraints are likely to get worse next year. Or wait 2-3 years and prices should be back to Earth (plus newer and even better chips). I'm waiting this out.

Yeah, but how many years until 128GB+ is attainable by mere mortals again? My 2021 home server build was 64GB of RAM. My 2025 build was 32GB and zram. :/

My desktop with 64gb of RAM has been my best performing financial asset. The value keeps rising.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by FinnLobsien »

Not a surprise this is launching now. John Ternus is taking the reigns as CEO in a week and was previously SVP of hardware engineering.

I can't hate a direction where Apple becomes more about building great computers rather than trying to force more and more subscriptions. I do wish they would fix many of the long-standing OS and native app problems.

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Post by eddieplan9 »

meric_ wrote: post #182
OneWhereWhy wrote: post #174

The thing that intrigues me the most is this: "Storage performance is up to twice as fast, with a next-generation SSD architecture built on PCIe Gen 6..." This is the first personal computer I've noticed that has PCIe Gen 6 storage. I've only seen enterprise PCIe Gen 6 SSDs up until now. Gen 5 SSDs in consumer devices already have high temperatures and thermal throttling, so I'm worried about how Apple's implementati…

Im curious, how often is SSD / storage speed performance really useful? I feel like for many people it's akin to gigabyte wifi in that its nice to have, but not really particularly necessary

Apple’s “LLM in a flash” paper [1] sheds some light on why this can be a big deal, especially if they are working on codesign of model and hardware in this dimension.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.11514

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by spockz »

joshstrange wrote: post #7

Due to pricing insanity (not that Apple prices weren’t insane before the ram/ssd shortages) I’m not in the market but I do wonder if my next computer should be a Mac Studio instead of a MBP that lives its life docked. Might be better to just run a Studio and Neo for the very few times I actually need remote capabilities.

Yes, except that the only way to get a fancy screen is also to put the fancy cpu in it. If there would be an Air with the screen of the pro I would buy it. Maybe even a Neo with that screen.

Re: New Mac Studio with M5 Max and M5 Ultra

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Post by i5heu »

mannanj wrote: post #116
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #33

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> Not exactly "future proof" Computers are never "future proof".

About 20 years ago my dad bought me a $5k computer, it was future proof for about "5 years" before we had to upgrade its internal parts (more memory, new graphics card). It was future proof but not really because it struggled a lot in its final years.

My 6 year old mediocre gaming PC is still a mediocre gaming PC.

I expect it to stay a mediocre gaming PC for the next 3 years maybe 5 years.

16GB RAM RTX 3060 TI (8 GB VRAM)

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