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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

#401

Injecting hidden GUIDs into local files without explicit user consent is a massive privacy overreach. It makes you wonder what other local tools are silently tagging user generated content.

Haven’t printers done the same thing for decades?

And? Where are we going with this whataboutism?

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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post #118

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> No it's not. Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. Did you notice that it's an affordability crisis out there? An absolutely enormous number of people are skipping bills, taking on credit, and using predatory lenders to make end meets, and your recommendation is to add another fee on top of things. It's not practical or useful guidance for the vast majority of people. I strongly agree with supporting pri…

At least in the US it's not even a good method either. Own a house? Boom, your information is publically available and you won't be able to remove it without a court order, which in most states is impossible to get. In most states, you don't even need to own a house, decide to vote? You information again is publically available. Tie your real name to a single account to purchase something, and you are trackable. Want…

As a state employee, even more of my info is online. One of my coworkers pointed this page out to me:

https://transparency.ky.gov/search/Pages/SalarySearch.aspx#/...

> and work underground for cash

My sister was a member of Scientology for 2 decades and she was encouraged to do this. As a result, she has almost no Social Security earnings and her Social Security check is about 1/4 of what she would be getting if she reported (and paid taxes to the government instead of to her "church") her income.

> decide to vote? Your information again is publicly available

I ran for elected office in the past. When I asked the voter registration office for a "walking list", they only checked that I did get on the ballot and I was provided with a list of every registered voter in the district I was running for. It had names, addresses, phone numbers, political party and a list of what elections you voted in (I think it went back 8 years). Some people were rather upset that I had access to that information when I knocked on their door and asked them to vote for me.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> This is broadly impractical for the average citizen. No it's not. Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. > A scalable solution would be to make this sort of thing illegal. I'm posting this in the genuine interest of people being able to maintain anonymity from data leaks, privacy leaks, and in general not needing to tell businesses more personal information than is necessary to render services. This is in…

> No it's not. Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. You are out of touch.

We stopped paying for a USPS PO Box when the price of the smallest one passed $150/year.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

#404

Injecting hidden GUIDs into local files without explicit user consent is a massive privacy overreach. It makes you wonder what other local tools are silently tagging user generated content.

I am doing metadata auditing for government documents these days and there are UUIDs in lots of files going back a very long time. I have certainly seen them in PDFs and Word and Excel documents that long predated the current AI integrations.

Edit to add: I just tested LibreOffice/26.2.5.2 and it is not injecting a UUID into the metadata either for a ODT or a DOCx (2007) file. I do not have native MS Office available on hand to test at the moment. I do see these UUIDs in published government documents but cannot swear to exactly what step of the pipeline is stamping them. Definitely on files that predate the AI integration push by Microsoft.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Probably just means they haven't (yet) figured out how to do the watermarking carrying enough bits of data to encode a GUID.

It could also mean they are lying. It could be they are being forced to downplay how good the watermarking is because gov agencies want that tool available to them without people knowing about it. We'll have to wait for the next Snowden to find out.

In other words, plausible deniability. “We aren’t watermarking your text.” (Today, and we’ll start tomorrow.)

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. As soon as you purchase something from Microsoft - e.g. your Office 365 subscription - they have at the very least your billing address on file for the credit card.

We gotta stop normalizing that. Why do you need my address to receive my money? My birth date? Even in places with strong privacy regulations requiring businesses not to collect data they don’t need, businesses apparently get away with asking this.

> Why do you need my address to receive my money?

Because of the volume of stolen credit card numbers. If you have the address, you are much less likely to be someone using stolen CCs. Seriously, most of the crooks are that lazy. So the real reason is the credit card processing companies.

Also, post 911, there is this thing called "know your customer". It was set up to fight money laundering and financing terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Probably just means they haven't (yet) figured out how to do the watermarking carrying enough bits of data to encode a GUID.

It could also mean they are lying. It could be they are being forced to downplay how good the watermarking is because gov agencies want that tool available to them without people knowing about it. We'll have to wait for the next Snowden to find out.

I still don't see how this is supposed to work for text content that I copy and paste somewhere else. And with models getting better and better to "human language", wouldn't the false positives also rise as "real text" is flagged to be AI generated?

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I was forced to create multiple as part of the mojang migration - truly a nightmarish experience to use their AuthN, haven’t seen something quite as bad since

Maybe you were "tricked into", but probably not forced. We are free to refuse, at cost, but free.

They used dark patterns to trick me into signing up. I do not know how anyone can trust them, at all, ever.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Haven’t printers done the same thing for decades?

Oh that makes it totally ok then...

Not saying that, but at least that there must have been ample legal precedent that this is probably allowed.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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It could also mean they are lying. It could be they are being forced to downplay how good the watermarking is because gov agencies want that tool available to them without people knowing about it. We'll have to wait for the next Snowden to find out.

I still don't see how this is supposed to work for text content that I copy and paste somewhere else. And with models getting better and better to "human language", wouldn't the false positives also rise as "real text" is flagged to be AI generated?

I don't know either, and maybe it doesn't or can't work. But also maybe it does and can. I do not have any where near the expertise to know which is the case.
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