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Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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Sounds like modern art was the kpop of its era.

I remember from one of my art history courses that it was more a rejection of Hitler & Stalin. Those 2 loved representational art so much that "the art world" took decades before representational art was acceptable.

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I don’t know if this is a reaction to AI or something, but recently I’ve only been interested in classical/realism art. I just can’t do abstract cubes anymore. The default wallpaper of windows 11 is a perfect example - I hate it. Give me a wallpaper of some painting from the Renaissance.

Fun fact - the default Windows 10 wallpaper was actually shot on a real camera in physical space[0], making it one of the exceptions. It's disappointing that they went back to 3D renders in 11, but it was probably done so they could make their light and dark mode versions match exactly. [0] https://gmunk.com/Windows-10-Desktop

And the hillside on Windows XP is also a photo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_(photograph)#

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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But I mean is this something that is supposed to be shocking or revelaing? All countries want to promote their culture so they win the soft war and influence. You think people just magically started liking kpop in the us? Look up what the south korean gov planned and how it worked out overall. It is interesting they were taunting the Soviets by saying "look our artists are so free even we dont know wtf they are makin…

> You think people just magically started liking kpop in the us? How about British Invasion, also facilitated you think?

No, I don't think K-pop is a government initiative. It is an actual fact.

> In the late '90s, when Asia went through a huge financial crisis, South Korea's leaders decided to use music to improve its image and build its cultural influence. So the country's government poured millions of dollars into forming a Ministry of Culture with a specific department devoted to K-pop.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/04/13/399414351...

British Invasion was not a state thing.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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I don’t know if this is a reaction to AI or something, but recently I’ve only been interested in classical/realism art. I just can’t do abstract cubes anymore. The default wallpaper of windows 11 is a perfect example - I hate it. Give me a wallpaper of some painting from the Renaissance.

Kinda paradox because AI seems better at replicating complex classic paintings and realism than rather simple modern parametric imagery.

It’s not about what ai can or can’t do. It’s a new appreciation for both artistry AND skill.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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"the Default Country" is a good one. I'll have to start using that.

For fun, ask a citizen of the Default Country where cars were invented ...

At some point they discovered it was easier to just convince everyone they were exceptional than to actually be exceptional.

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Not the first time when the Default Country thinks they invented everything. The title is almost comical. Modern art, as everyone should know, started in 1860s in Europe inspired by technological advances, globalization of trade and cultural exchange. Japanese art made huge blast, photography pushed to seek new forms of expression, social progress demanded new messages and new images. We had impressionism, post-impre…

Let's hear what non-default country invented pop-art in the 50s.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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The art itself is not a psyop and it can't be because it's too abstract to send a political message. The movement around it was supported in a CIA psyop to present America as the place where artists are free to do what they want, at a time when the Soviet Union enforced socialist realism as the only official art style and if you did something different you couldn't get state funding. It was a good old PR move.

A lot of people misunderstand this and think it's some conspiracy to demoralize society and "erase Western culture". If that was true there would be witch hunts against traditional art and calls to destroy it.

When you look at the real abstract artists they used language about freedom to make art outside its traditional constraints and encouraged others to try it out, but I don't think any large group of them ever wanted to fully replace and condemn the old ways. Some definitely switched their style to fit in but as far as I know it was all voluntary.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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It's the art of understanding terms have different meanings based on context and use, not one based on some definition handed down by the Gods that's applicable everywhere, that we should not let die out.

Not its about using correct words with specific meanings instead of vague terms that at the end have incorrect claims, even you had to resort to that to get your point across. 'Humans are horrible', oh no I meant only that subset of 3 individuals, you should understand my context... thats weak excuse to be polite.

Context in this case is derived by the arcane trick of RTFA.

Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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A lot of people are confused by the term "modern art" in this. This isn't meant to be about the idea of modern art in general, not about modernist art, or a "history of art" compatible conception of the term. So whether "modern art started with the invention of the film camera" and other such claims about the late 19th here is irrelevant. In the context of TFA and the CIA-related discussion, "modern art" refers mainl…

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Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)

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The word has not only one but several clear meanings: > In the context of art history, modernity (Fr. modernité) has a more limited sense, modern art covering the period of c. 1860–1970. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernity

If it was clear we wouldn't be having this conversation.

On HN we could have an argument about the definition of "is".

Clinton was just ahead of the curve.

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