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How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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Lobbyists don't do this. Regulators/lawmakers need to be corrupt and/or incompetent for lobbying to do this.

You need both, and both are responsible for the current state. To stop this, you need to try to stop both until one doesn't exists.

Lobbying is fine, though. Lobbying isn't bribery, although sometimes it probably looks like it. Lobbying is also an industry saying "please don't kill us; here's why that thing will kill us". The people making the decisions have the power (hence lobbyists need to exist) and they need to be better.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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I don't know if this EU regulation will work or not (most likely not), but I can share how it is done in China (where package volume is orders of magnitude higher). China identifies "choke points" most packages pass: large platforms and logistics companies. Yes, Chinese e-commerce is more centralized on Alibaba/JD/PDD etc, but there are actually much more logistics companies in China than in EU. They also do not intr…

> This gives time to prepare and implement (unlike EU border controls mess...)

The Entry/Exit System was supposed to start in 2024[0], it was delayed to 2025, then it was delayed to 2026. They also changed from a full turn on to an incremental rollout over 180 days[1]. At some point you have to turn on things and "bugs will shake out", you can't delay things forever.

[0] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025...

[1] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025...

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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My first decision when building my company was to leave Spain. They smash you very quickly. They do not care if they ruin you via prosecurion or you have to shut down. The tax agency is extremely agressive. The laws favor the agents to extents that are illegal and weven criminal (check the bonus of inspectors). Check Robert Amsterdam work on this, something we all spanish know for a long time.

Spain also smashes foreigners owning a property in Spain. They see tourists and foreigners (even if they're from the EU) as a gigantic target to squeeze and screw as hard as they can. That's what you get when your economy is based on tourism and rich foreigners owning property there: you have to squeeze those hard for it's basically all you have. Officially tourism is "only" about 15% of the GDP but Spain is a servic…

> Spain also smashes foreigners owning a property in Spain.

I know this, just look at the media, removing Golden Visa (as if it was a problem to have a minority there getting some houses) or Richard Gere, that he run away bc he had to pay more money in Spain that he does in US, where salaries are much higher. Absurd.

Or the prosecution to Shakira, Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo. They love to show who is the "land owner". To the normal people I do not want even to start. There is also the case of Xabi Alonso, the football player and trainer, who fought and, like Shakira, etc. won. These are people with lots of money, but not for that it is fair to do that to them either. To the normal citizens it is much, much worse, since they do not have the resources to protect themselves and they prefer to pay a "fine by agreement" (namely, extortion) than to get through a multi-year process. In the meantime they preventively seize the amounts they ask for, even if you go bankrupt, if you decide to go ahead.

If you win, which is something people do not even dare to go through because of the seizing, then they will pay interests to you with the money of the other tax payers! Great!!! And you know what is the punishment for the tax inspector when this happens? Let me tell you: nothing, zero. So they do it systematically.

It is a place where I do not want to have much money into, and I am spanish. I wish things were different, I mean it: I am from there, my family is from there, lots of my friends are there. But no, it is not possible...

PIT reaches 47% starting at 60.000, it can reach even 54% at 300,000 euros I think it was (now probably more). It is just crazy. But this is just PIT: inherit? Pay taxes. Capital gain? Pay. Own a house and sell it? Pay taxes + capital gain. Want to buy a house? A tax with the 10% of the value. VAT? 21%. Gasoline, etc.? Reaches roughly 50% or more sometimes, depending on exact area.

You earn 80,000 in Spain and you end up paying literally (and I tell you bc I used to have a salary like that years ago) 65% or 70% of taxes if you account for all.

You want to be a freelancer? Prepare 300 euros... per month, just for permission to work. Of course, that is the start only. Now declare VAT every 3 months, go stand the tax agency requests and spend all the year in bureaucracy (that is why most people just delegate it, of course, causing expenses to them).

It is literally hyper-extractive. There is a reason why in Spain so many people want to be public workers. And do not think they think they should treat the private sector better. Noooo! You are there to pay, whatever the State needs. It is just your obligation without any regard for sensible spending, efficiency or whatever. If you make money you are kind of a somewhat suspicious person or something like that. It is a very extended mindset, sadly.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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Spain also smashes foreigners owning a property in Spain. They see tourists and foreigners (even if they're from the EU) as a gigantic target to squeeze and screw as hard as they can. That's what you get when your economy is based on tourism and rich foreigners owning property there: you have to squeeze those hard for it's basically all you have. Officially tourism is "only" about 15% of the GDP but Spain is a servic…

> “Spain also smashes foreigners owning a property in Spain.” In which way?

Read my comment above.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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Per downthread, this whole crisis arises because of Chinese companies shipping to Europe. The EU Directives are definitely visible in advance, none of this is dropped on people.

I think this directive was from Feb 2025? Is 1 year enough for everyone to register in 25 different packaging regulation bodies, appoint representatives, etc etc?.. I also fail to see how this will stop Chinese companies from shipping to Europe. No Chinese company will register in this farce.

The issue isn't just the time, but the fees. It's not free to register, and for small sellers, it can be completely crippling.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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I'm more inclined to believe the person who backed up their argument with a citation, especially after looking at the document they linked which expressly contradicts you.

Sorry, messed up the terms here. You became producer. From the earlier faq that parent posted; > The following provide some typical examples of who the producer of transport packaging is: - If Company A fills the cardboard boxes and sells them to an end user in another Member State, then Company A would typically be the producer in that other Member State.

In the following

> If Company A manufactures cardboard boxes under the name or trademark of Company B, then Company B will typically become the manufacturer and producer of the boxes in that Member State. However, if Company B is a micro-enterprise, then Company A is manufacturer and the producer in the Member State.

That has the same "typically", so I'd assume it has the same micro-enterprise exemption. Otherwise only branded boxes would be exempt and that'd be pretty weird.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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EU web sites are such an epitome for the EU as a whole: Inscrutably bureaucratic. Instead of a FAQ page that starts with, you know, the FAQ, the actual information is hidden in a PDF download. Once you click it, there is another popup to confirm. That then leads to a PDF with 9 pages of misc front matter before you can see the first question. And the answers themselves are completely unreadable. Take for example "3)…

You can take that “EU website” broad, as in: any website in the EU. I just tried to order train tickets in Portugal. Not only do they ask for my passport number, they also ask for your tax id. I will, of course, totally give them my SSN for a train ride… It’s a mandatory field too. People on Reddit say you can just fill in anything, it doesn’t matter, but I hate that kind of uncertainty.

Better get used to that. Nearly every time you buy something in Portugal they'll ask you for your tax id so that they can print it on the receipt. This is because this is something you can use for some tax breaks later and also there is some lottery going on I think? Though obviously the original reason for it to exist is to combat tax fraud.

This is also entirely optional for those kind of purchases, and meaningless if you don't have one (which you probably aren't going to if you are just a tourist passing through the country) so you should just not fill that field. I seriously doubt it is mandatory.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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You need lobbyists to pull on one side and the general population to be too uninformed or too non-caring to not pull enough in the other direction.

That removes the culpability again from the people being lobbied, who are for paid by mandatory taxes, so they don't have to win work - their only job is expertise and honesty.

I don't think it does. Of course they are culpable, that's the whole point.

Them being in that position of power is not god given though, nor set in stone. Replacing them is a single election away. Still, people keep voting for them. So the ultimate responsibility is with the people who keep voting them into office.

Re: How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs

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I've been following the PPWR in news and social media. Everybody is lamenting about the micro-enterprises that see their business squashed, but mostly because they are involved in one. I do empathize with them and really want to see these small business surviving and thriving. But then, in the context of discussion, nobody asks what matters: Cui bono? To me, this looks like a direct handout to Amazon and similar (big…

It is not. Big European business always get what they want. Which tends to be maintaining status quo.
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