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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by HDBaseT »

lxgr wrote: post #136
indigodaddy wrote: post #85

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Wonder if that makes it cheaper than using on the sub (ignoring reset shenanigans)

I'd be very surprised if that were the case, unless they have severely devalued how much "100% usage" is worth – which, as I understand, they could at any point, given that they don't publicly specify how many tokens (or at least "credits" [1]) are included in each plan per month. It really reminds me of pay-to-win games at this point: Two currencies (credits, tokens), both with a floating, intransparent exchange rat…

Yeah, it's not even close.

$20/m = appox API $700/m

$100/m = appox API $3,500/m

$200/m = appox API $14,000/m

[0] https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by satvikpendem »

adastra22 wrote: post #95
petcat wrote: post #37

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> long live open source models There are no open source models, at least not useful ones (yet) [0]. Open weight is not the same as open source. The current "open weight" models are just opaque binary blobs you can run on your own computer instead of through a web API. [0] https://allenai.org/

This viewpoint doesn't make any sense to me. The weights + inference code are the "source code" for AI. I literally don't know what else you are demanding for the "open source" label.

Everything required to recreate the model, ie training code and data, namely.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

GMoromisato wrote: post #283
CamperBob2 wrote: post #274

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Any hardware that could be launched to orbit could also be put on a container ship in international waters. It makes zero sense to put these things in space.

You can't deploy enough solar panels on a container ship to feed the datacenter, and a nuclear reactor, while not impossible, is far more expensive than solar panels. Solar panels are 4x more efficient in space. 2x because of lack of atmosphere and another 2x because there are 24 hours of sunlight in SSO. Is it really that hard to just say, "I don't know if it will work or not"?

You can't deploy enough solar panels on a container ship to feed the datacenter

Ridiculous. Have you ever seen a container ship? One engine on a container ship puts out 80 megawatts, or around 80 orbital data centers' worth of power. So if there's not enough room for solar, which would surprise me greatly, then running a generator is not going to be a problem.

As for the lack of 24-hour operation, a ~50% duty cycle is a perfectly reasonable tradeoff for not having to launch something into LEO. You can easily deploy several times as many installations for the same money if they don't have to work in space. And they will be maintainable, to boot.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by HDBaseT »

tom1337 wrote: post #29
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #17

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49396590

completely offtopic but how are you always there with a valid dupe link?

Because he is an egomaniac. It is clearly a low effort method for farming upvotes. Majority of the time he's clutching at straws to find "dupes" with 3 comments threads.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Rover222 wrote: post #288
CamperBob2 wrote: post #274

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Any hardware that could be launched to orbit could also be put on a container ship in international waters. It makes zero sense to put these things in space.

you're all so clueless with these arguments. there's 5x the solar power in space. it's all about how many watts of compute you can bring online. in a sun synchronous orbit there is 24-hr solar power. there is no weather or maintenance.

So deploy 5x as many on container ships, and pretend you launched them into space. That gives you the "no maintenance" part.

As for weather, OK, fine, whatever. Deploy 6x as many.

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Post by aliasxneo »

Gigachad wrote: post #267
aliasxneo wrote: post #86

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Ok, I'll bite. What's your rationale?

Flock powered surveillance state that sends ICE goons to kill random people in areas where there is any resistance to the regime.

That can be a genuine NY Times headline.

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Post by td-andrew »

visarga wrote: post #116
td-andrew wrote: post #11

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It reminds me of the seo antics out there. The search results page is the engine, much like how distilling is the "intelligence" for your chinese room machine

Funny you mention Chinese Room and LLMs in the same response, I would say LLMs proved Searle wrong, agents now make cutting edge discoveries and meaningful problem solving. They not lookup tables though and you need to pay for inference, so the intuition of syntax doing the work of semantics without understanding was wrong.

Whether it's useful or not isn't the point. Chinese Room was a consideration as to what counts as knowledge. Chinese Room / LLM is not knowledge, it's pattern matching.

Having a dude doing translations has always been useful even if they didn't understand the subject matter. Happened all the time pre LLMs

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dbbk wrote: post #239
ttul wrote: post #103

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Fable 5 is just straight up a larger model - I'm guessing at this, but there is plenty of evidence online from people far more plugged in than I am. OpenAI is pursuing a strategy that yields greater operating margins and penetration of their model to developers. Fable's high cost makes it so premium that Anthropic has to reserve it for only the richest customers and corporate users. That's not a winning formula long…

Fable is available for $100 a month. If you're a working developer, you can pay that. I wouldn't really say it's "reserved for the richest customers".

But only half the usage can be Fable, and it can silently downgrade requests to opus without telling you.

On OpenAi even 20$ has Sol and all your usage can be Sol

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Post by GMoromisato »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #303
GMoromisato wrote: post #283

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You can't deploy enough solar panels on a container ship to feed the datacenter, and a nuclear reactor, while not impossible, is far more expensive than solar panels. Solar panels are 4x more efficient in space. 2x because of lack of atmosphere and another 2x because there are 24 hours of sunlight in SSO. Is it really that hard to just say, "I don't know if it will work or not"?

You can't deploy enough solar panels on a container ship to feed the datacenter Ridiculous. Have you ever seen a container ship? One engine on a container ship puts out 80 megawatts, or around 80 orbital data centers' worth of power. So if there's not enough room for solar, which would surprise me greatly, then running a generator is not going to be a problem. As for the lack of 24-hour operation, a ~50% duty cycle i…

Okay, I admit I underestimated the container ship benefits. 80+ MW is a lot of power and you get easy cooling to boot. Fuel cost is a problem (relative to solar), and you can't do inference on it, but it might make sense for training.

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Post by fwn »

Gigachad wrote: post #265
tshaddox wrote: post #231

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Okay, but I would also ask “why does Claude say that its name is Claude?”

Because it's in the system prompt

AFAIK, you cannot run Claude without one of their mandatory system prompts at all.

If we wanted to compare model responses, we would give all models system prompts with model names, thereby fixing the Kimi misattribution.

The reason Kimi often states its name as Claude is likely because we can actually run it without the mandatory system prompt, smoothing over awkward competitor mentions.

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