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Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
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#62Soft power - Russian ballet, Japanese manga, k-pop.
and dont forget the pandas
Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
#63I don’t know if this is a reaction to AI or something, but recently I’ve only been interested in classical/realism art. I just can’t do abstract cubes anymore. The default wallpaper of windows 11 is a perfect example - I hate it. Give me a wallpaper of some painting from the Renaissance.
Kinda paradox because AI seems better at replicating complex classic paintings and realism than rather simple modern parametric imagery.
until you begin to really LOOK at it
Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
This could have been written at any point after the 1850s or so.
1850? I wager we could go all the way back if we tried. > (…) the Italian artist and writer Giorgio Vasari,who used it as early as 1530, calling Gothic art a "monstrous and barbarous" "disorder". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art
Indeed, I would not be surprised if there was someone calling the first cave paintings awful vandalism.
I just thought of mid 1800s, since around that time people got really experimental with different styles of painting.
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#65Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The leadership of nations requires you to put pressure on the thoughts and minds of your people, left to their own devices those minds will simply be shaped by someone else. The morality in it comes from your motivation and methods. Secretly giving piles of money to the weirdos you successfully identify as being the leaders of artistic movements to amplify those movements can't be all that bad. The question of the da…
I would fund things which make people less susceptible to manipulation and more equipped to think for themselves. Because I believe in democracy not as a political tool but as a fundamental right. I don’t wish to use democracy to gain more power. But maybe that’s why I’ll never be in that position, to make that choice.
> I would fund things which make people less susceptible to manipulation and more equipped to think for themselves.
This also would be manipulative. If you think society can provide you freedom, you are looking in the wrong places.
Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
#67Far more things/movements are orchestrated than are organic. This is to me one of the most surprising things I have learned as I got older.
I am starting to be under the impression that movements are steered by leaders but formed only when the underlying conditions are present. No single element can make the movement. I am reluctant to believe stories like "The CIA created modern art", as it is just a single part, although a very influential part, of the movement. I say this as somebody who is very cautious about believing anything and am quick to call t…
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Re: Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020)
#68I don’t know if this is a reaction to AI or something, but recently I’ve only been interested in classical/realism art. I just can’t do abstract cubes anymore. The default wallpaper of windows 11 is a perfect example - I hate it. Give me a wallpaper of some painting from the Renaissance.
Fun fact - the default Windows 10 wallpaper was actually shot on a real camera in physical space[0], making it one of the exceptions. It's disappointing that they went back to 3D renders in 11, but it was probably done so they could make their light and dark mode versions match exactly.
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#69Sounds like modern art was the kpop of its era.
Soon to overtaken by nkpop if I'm reading the room accurately.
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#70Oh man, I just listened to an episode of Decoder Ring about why making classical realist sculptures in the US is a challenge. It gives some interesting context about the rejection of realism in the post-war West: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-are-monumentally-ba...
Thanks so much for sharing this! I went looking for what I’d call modern “masterwork” statues a year or so ago and had come to this exact same conclusion. Glad that other people are noticing!