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MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.

Not to mention that notepad had a 7.8 CVE (an RCE) earlier this year -- https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2026-20841

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I don't think they use a model that would run smoothly on most hardware that normal people use. Besides, you need to sign-in and pay to use that feature. It's very obvious that's not local.

did you even read the article? you're wrong on all points.

Frankly, I only skimmed it. Now I see that "On Copilot+ PCs, image generation is local but prompt moderation remains remote".

I don't have a Copilot PC, but if you still need to pay MS to run the model on your own hardware it's laughable.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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Even Notepad isn’t a dumb app anymore! They made breaking changes after 40 years so it has autocorrect, rich text, and Copilot. If I wanted all of that, I would have used a different app!

I wanted dark mode, tabs, and autosave, and now I don't have to use a different app to get those, so that works out great for me. Not sure what "breaking changes" even means for that though. Did it suddenly stop being able to open text files? No, it still just works.

IIRC they did make a breaking change by changing the default character encoding to UTF-8 without BOM.

They also started rendering and preserving Unix-style line endings (LF).

Very welcome breaking changes :)

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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It is quite likely that Snipping Tool is also doing this. Every camera also leaves device specific signature because of its inherent silicon sensor defects. If you want to stay anonymous, don't share images you can't verify at the byte level. Apply filtering to decrease the low bit noise that could hide cryptographic signatures. Don't trust complex container formats. See e.g. PPM format: https://www.cs.swarthmore.edu…

If Anthropic can manipulate text to add a watermark, what’s preventing providers from doing the same to generated images? Modifying the container format can’t protect you from a signature in the image’s visual representation, unless you apply noise to that (and know it’s enough noise/the right kind of noise to counteract whatever unknown technique they’ve applied).

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.

>Notepad but with Rich Text formatting

TextEdit on Mac uses RTF. Perhaps that's why Windows switched.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> This is broadly impractical for the average citizen. No it's not. Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. > A scalable solution would be to make this sort of thing illegal. I'm posting this in the genuine interest of people being able to maintain anonymity from data leaks, privacy leaks, and in general not needing to tell businesses more personal information than is necessary to render services. This is in…

> Sign up for a virtual mailbox for $15-$25/month. That isn't going to stop Microsoft from collecting your address by collecting your wifi info, or from the data you enter into websites or documents. When the maker of your OS is the enemy you will always lose.

Technically true but I don't think their engineering is advanced enough that it actually happens that way.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I think their point is that paint shouldn’t have any GenAI features (or any new features other than compatibility)

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> Yes, using original paint in 16 colors saved to PCX in 640x480 should be enough for anybody.

There's a wide, wide gap between adding features that your users need and adding features that you want to cram down their throats to promote other products that you want them to use.

> Or we could let owners of properties add features as they see fit.

Or we could let paying users offer legitimate criticism of the products they use, without essentially telling them to shut up.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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> address Do not tell Microsoft where you sleep. IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. Make sure you register mailing addresses with your credit card institutions in addition to your residential addresses, and make your mailing address your billing address so that you aren't forced to tell a thousand businesses like Microsoft where you sleep.

> IANAL but they are not a government or financial institution and do not have a right to that information. As soon as you purchase something from Microsoft - e.g. your Office 365 subscription - they have at the very least your billing address on file for the credit card.

We gotta stop normalizing that. Why do you need my address to receive my money? My birth date?

Even in places with strong privacy regulations requiring businesses not to collect data they don’t need, businesses apparently get away with asking this.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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This really needs to be hit with the GDPR hammer. Microsoft have not obtained consent for this.

Watermarking ai generated stuff is mandated by EU

It doesn’t need to be a personally identifiable watermark.

Re: MS Paint and Photos inivisibly watermark even locally generated output with GUID

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I don't so much mind about Paint, but modern Notepad is completely unusable. We had "Notepad but with Rich Text formatting" -- it was called WordPad and no-one used it so they eventually deleted it.

The people who still use Windows yet complain about this are quite confusing to me. There's been every indication that it will keep going like this for years now, and the cost of switching is just not that high. If you're still riding that train it's time to just embrace it.
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