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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by Tryk »

stavros wrote: post #228
adastra22 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how it works though. Two training runs on the same data don’t produce the same weights. And if you want to modify the AI, you do so by fine tuning the weights not rerunning training. In every respect that matters, the weights are both the binary and the source code together.

If I want to remove censorship from your open-weights model, how do I do that?

The process is called Ablation, there are many ablated models available to download

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablation_(artificial_intellige...

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Post by actualwitch »

endymi0n wrote: post #216
colingauvin wrote: post #55

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Where is the actual evidence of distillation? I keep seeing this repeated ad nauseam but I must have somehow missed the evidence.

Been using a lot of Kimi K3 lately and the answers have been… „load-bearing“ to the point of hilariousness. It‘s obvious from where they distilled, even if sceptics rightly point out it can‘t have been the only source of their secret sauce, as it‘s been better than the current Opus 4.x at the time of release.

Qwen 3.8 27b also enjoys their genuinely load-bearing seams.

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Post by NekkoDroid »

datadrivenangel wrote: post #227
Paradigma11 wrote: post #195

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Please elaborate the mechanisms by which a LLM would know what model it is.

ask it what type of model it is or what it's name is... it's weird that Kimi will say it's claude...

Doesn't Claude say its Deepseek when asked in Chinese? I remember there being posts about that a while ago.

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Post by jaggederest »

petercooper wrote: post #123
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

It reminds me conceptually of the idea of using a ST:TNG replicator to just give you another replicator of your own, or asking a stereotypical genie for "infinite wishes". The genie is indeed out of the bottle in many ways.

And for a lot of non-frontier purposes these days, you can bootstrap via LLM-as-judge so your hyperspecific wakeword model or whatever can be trained with little to no human input, that aspect of it is fully terrific.

The frontier models are a replicator that can give you another replicator which specifically produces tea, earl grey, hot, when you push the single button, and does nothing else.

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Post by [deleted] »

pseudony wrote: post #180
pseudony wrote: post #54

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He also wanted to do a non-profit. He even raised money on that premise. He is a pathological liar, so is Dario. Don’t rely on the benevolence or truthfulness of these people. They will say whatever is beneficial to say in the moment.

Telling. Downvotes but actually no arguments. Fitting, because there are none. Referring to a baseless prediction by Sam Altman that AI will become like electricity without any push-back? Who really thinks Sam is working toward that future? He already worked to undo every early promise made (non-profit, open source models, strong governing board, strong ethics/alignment/security focus). He's flip-flopped on other thi…

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

> The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck.

Sort of. It means the country on the verge of monopolizing all aspects of hardware production (China) doesn't need to rely on outsiders for the software. So while that weakens one monopoly it strengthens another.

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Post by MrToadMan »

maxgiraldo wrote: post #106
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

Google also spent heavily setting up deals with other platform owners, invested in Chrome and Android to establish Google search as the default option which most users accepted. If integrations of good enough AI features are made within existing platforms most users will probably accept using those and not think too much about whose model is powering it.

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Post by usef- »

msdz wrote: post #26
badatnames wrote: post #7

Using codex every day, in spite of which, I hope some day providers will just start naming their offerings small/medium/large, a bit like we eventually started doing in software testing. Trying to remember what Sol is or why it's better than the other thing is more cognitive effort than I can muster at this point. And that's a sure sign of commoditisation in itself

Tinfoil hat time: They saw everyone referring to Mythos, and later Fable, as the new “good” models when Anthropic released those, distinguishable from the “regular” Claude (or other companies’ models) for everyone, and didn’t have that distinction for the GPT model family. That’s why the planetary names were introduced.

A simpler explanation is that it's just a better naming system.

Calling something "small" might make it sound inferior to competitors. And S/M/L gets awkward as soon as you have more than three sizes.

This naming system can get near-infinitely bigger or smaller.

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Post by lostmsu »

esafak wrote: post #224
lostmsu wrote: post #196

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Performance difference it large by all benchmarks. DeepSeek fell behind. It's Kimi K3 or GLM-5.3 now.

It still occupies a place on the Pareto frontier.

IMO Pareto frontier is a lie. At any given moment there's only one "best" strategy and my guess would be in most cases it is just using the best model.
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