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OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

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Post by wahnfrieden »

calumcl wrote: post #218
wahnfrieden wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you’ve confused clarification for begging

There was context for neither in your original post and I personally saw a lot of similar takes like the above online - apologies for the misunderstanding. I personally thought it was pretty clear considering the parent link is a link to the API pricing and their public communication on their twitter/blogs were "Subscription usage remains unchanged".

Typically subscription usage follows API pricing, but that disclaimer was absent from this HN link. It's only clear if you've seen those other communications

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Post by lelanthran »

ArvidSu wrote: post #120
throwaway2027 wrote: post #74

I think this is a move to get people off the subscription and move to API. The weekly usage is still awful altough it seems they're trying to fix it but I'm not hopeful.

Why do you think they want less people subscribing?

> Why do you think they want less people subscribing?

Losing money on each subscriber?

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Post by swiftcoder »

dlandis wrote: post #100
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

Hmm, don't people think that if the frontier labs really put enough engineering effort into preventing distillation that they would be able to do that, or at least diminish it significantly? I'm sure there are variety of additional techniques they could use on top of what they already do, but I suspect it just hasn't been at the top of their priorities yet. Maybe that will change soon. Worst case they could add addit…

> Hmm, don't people think that if the frontier labs really put enough engineering effort into preventing distillation that they would be able to do that, or at least diminish it significantly?

Distillation was big news a year or even 6 months ago, but as far as we can tell it's not really a moat anymore. Now that multiple players have trillion+ parameter models and the capacity to post-train them, there's no putting the genie back in the lamp.

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Post by esafak »

lostmsu wrote: post #196
Ringz wrote: post #122

The price difference to Deepseek models (deepseek-v4-flash, deepseek-v4-pro and deepseek-v4-flash-vision-exp) is still significant while the performance difference is not.

Performance difference it large by all benchmarks. DeepSeek fell behind. It's Kimi K3 or GLM-5.3 now.

It still occupies a place on the Pareto frontier.

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Post by import »

rootusrootus wrote: post #87
ninjahawk1 wrote: post #25

Once they make a model better than Fable I’ll be switching to Codex. Their priorities in terms of consumers seem to be better. I do think Anthropic has some solid safety viewpoints, but I don’t necessarily think that either is entirely aligned yet with delivering exactly what humanity needs. Maybe the AI will help align the AI companies when it gets smart enough. That’s the real misalignment I’m concerned about.

It feels like 5.6-Sol is already fairly close to Fable, and in some ways exceeds it. Just the other day I had Fable draw up a solution for me, and then I fed it into 5.6-Sol and said how does this look ... it found an oversight and told me about it, and when I then fed that observation back into Claude it acknowledged the miss. I've noticed also that 5.6-Sol is more concise with output than Fable (and let's not talk…

I used to review each others work, Sol is amazing at review and finding what’s missing.

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Post by datadrivenangel »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #195
flexagoon wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Kimi insist its name is Claude?

Please elaborate the mechanisms by which a LLM would know what model it is.

ask it what type of model it is or what it's name is... it's weird that Kimi will say it's claude...

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Post by stavros »

adastra22 wrote: post #214
kingstnap wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think of LLMs as programs. The weights and inference code are very much a binary. While the training code and data are the true source. Since if you want to robustly modify the LLM that's actually what you need. But since "compilation" (training) is extremely compute intensive this isn't something accessible to anyone without an entire datacenter. Anyway semantics aside having the binary is still infinitely be…

That’s not how it works though. Two training runs on the same data don’t produce the same weights. And if you want to modify the AI, you do so by fine tuning the weights not rerunning training. In every respect that matters, the weights are both the binary and the source code together.

If I want to remove censorship from your open-weights model, how do I do that?

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Post by [deleted] »

qwerpy wrote: post #199
eigenspace wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeeze, what are you doing that uses so much electricity? I live in Germany where people won't stop whining about electricity prices, and I pay 75€/mo.

Easy to get there without doing anything abnormal, 2 EVs and a large 5 bedroom house that gets air conditioned / heated, in a location that does time of use pricing. My bill is closer to $200/mo but if I didn’t have solar & battery it’d be in the $400 range.

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Post by tshaddox »

eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

For what it’s worth, “race to the bottom” typically refers to a scenario that we absolutely do not want as a consumer. We do want a highly competitive market that drives prices down, but “race to the bottom” specifically refers to a scenario where firms compete by minimizing quality, regulatory oversight, consumer/labor/environmental protection, etc.
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