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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by runako »

bpfrh wrote: post #418
runako wrote: post #281

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> The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. Didn't Tesla essentially stay afloat for years via government subsidies (e.g. government-mandated carbon credits)? Didn't the US only recently end its direct subsidies for EV buyers? Don't US taxpayers provide an enormous ongoing subsidy to ICE vehicles by underwriting the security of the oilfields in the Gulf? Don't US taxpayers in eff…

Carbon credits where open to any companies, so it wasn't a unfair subsidy. EV incentives where also not limited to us companies.

Every country distorts its markets in different ways. It's still silly to pretend the US is free of these kinds of distortions.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by AngryData »

UltraSane wrote: post #397
coliveira wrote: post #334

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> China that still seems acceptable China has made a tremendous effort to move to a clean(er) industrial system, using a lot of renewables and clean energy and improving environmental standards. At this point production in China is probably the best for the environment compared to most countries, including the US that is deeply invested in oil production.

United States: 384 gCO2/kWh China: 525 gCO2/kWh https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix

But we do have to consider how the speed in which it is dropping. China uses about the same percentage of fossil fuels for energy production as the US right now, but more of it is coal so it is dirtier. However they are aggressively installing and promoting renewables and nuclear power, built themselves, and their pollution standards are rapidly increasing. While in the US renewable and nuclear investment is and has been pretty crappy.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by nerdsniper »

maxglute wrote: post #420
dirck-norman wrote: post #383

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This is a false equivalence. Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies. The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion. China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same. Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.

This is false equivalence. Direct producer subsidies for PRC EV was Most of CSIS muh PRC 200b-400b includes rebates/taxes AND subsidies to upstream, i.e. battery industry which used more than cars. AKA they bundled energy sector to skew PRC numbers. For comparable you'd have to include all historic US/EU auto subsidies, AND ASSOCIATED upstream subsidies like MOST OF fossil industry, related diesel/fuel discounts... e…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49424924

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by smallmancontrov »

applicative wrote: post #405
smallmancontrov wrote: post #228

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China didn't get that way by magic. They ran the same playbook that allowed Alexander Hamilton to snatch manufacturing from Great Britain to the US, and the US gave up manufacturing for the same reason the UK gave up manufacturing (suppression of labor interests). It will be interesting to see what China does. They aren't ideologically committed to exclusively serving the interests of the wealthy, but they still have…

The industrialization of USA comes after the civil war, thus long after e.g. Charles Dickens, to say nothing of Hamilton.

Hamilton set the strategic agenda. Do you want to argue that US industrialization didn't follow the broad strokes of this plan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_on_Manufactures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)

Parallel: the industrialization of China for the most part happened after Deng Xiaoping, but are people wrong to credit him for setting the course?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by subscribed »

LPisGood wrote: post #278
subscribed wrote: post #234

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I'm also interested in the security features of this new CPU. Where doesn't it sit compared to Apple and ARM (Qualcomm, Titan)? Modern processor without memory tagging for example is a little..... dated, given how much the new AIs accelerated the vulnerability discovery in all the apps and system components.

I have heard it said that security is the new power when it comes to microarchitecture. I feel like that’s something security enjoyers tell themselves to be happy.

I don't understand your comment - did you want to say that hardware security is overrated or that security and microarchitecture don't mix?

Or maybe that security doesn't have a practical application?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by dirck-norman »

runako wrote: post #419
dirck-norman wrote: post #383

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This is a false equivalence. Adding carbon credits the U.S. is close to 20 billion in EV subsidies. The ENTIRE EU spent 125 billion. China supplied 250 billion to a 400 billion dollar industry and is facing overproduction. It’s dishonest to say it’s the same. Free market capitalism isn’t binary. If that’s what you think, you’re gravely misinformed.

> dishonest to say it’s the same. I literally didn't say that it was? In any case, the point is that the US also subsidizes markets, including the auto markets. China is far from unique in this. As you say, free market capitalism isn't binary, and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.

> I literally didn’t say that it was?

> and in this case all parties are subsidizing to some degree.

Textbook false equivalence.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by AngryData »

saturn8601 wrote: post #326
makingstuffs wrote: post #267

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What happens when you compare quality of life? Or workers rights? Pretty sure that your average person cares more about those two data points…

That might be a mirage temporarily made reality by outsourcing defense to the US, manufacturing to China and the work required for GDP growth to refugees. All three will be going away sooner or later.

How is locally producing military equipment versus buying extremely expensive US uberl33t overkill hardware suppose to hurt the EU? It not like the US was just giving Europe free armaments.

Yeah sure they won't be producing any F35s or million dollar per shot missiles, but was that a good idea to start with? Are they worth the money when once again lots of inexpensive arms are shown to be more useful in modern wars than a few handfuls of expensive ones? Both Iran and Ukraine have shown that one side being a few steps ahead in military technology and willing to dump money on equipment still has limited returns. There is no "I win" technology apart from indiscriminately killing most of the entire population, which just makes you an existential enemy to the rest of the planet and erases 95% of the value in taking that territory.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by well_ackshually »

KerrAvon wrote: post #382
well_ackshually wrote: post #361

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top comment right now on this very page: "But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300"

No lmao, top comment is saying MediaTek's variant of an ARM C1 Ultra dropped to 3300, attempting to link it to this CPU through vibes and magic

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by ezekiel68 »

trynumber9 wrote: post #412
ezekiel68 wrote: post #396

"Let's isolate China's semiconductor industry," they said. "This will all turn out well," they said.

There is a nuance: Xiaomi is not Huawei. They were not sanctioned. This chip is made in Taiwan like all the non-Samsung competition.

Argh -- perfectly read. I was thinking of Huawei.

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Post by AngryData »

mschuster91 wrote: post #179
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

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> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

No. Chinese dumpers undercutting everyone else and destroying the competition is never good.

I will agree that dumping is probably just bad overall. But the US, and much of the rest of the world, allows it to happen both within and outside of their countries, sometimes even financially supporting it with government programs. So I really don't see why I should care that someone in China is doing it. We can't hold others to standards significantly higher than we hold for ourselves.
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