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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by creaturemachine »

ford wrote: post #215
throwaw12 wrote: post #75

I love this, really, competition on a global scale is good for us, bad for greedy US corporations. For example, I consider Meta as bigger threat to society, than Xiaomi, DeepSeek, z.ai and other top Chinese companies (haven't used Chinese social media, so can't comment about its content)

Do you still believe this considering those companies live and die by the CCP? Would you feel differently if scale was reversed and Meta was the upstart trying to compete with Xiaomi/etc? I'm right there with you questioning Meta's value for society, but I do believe it has less opportunity for abuse/manipulation

Considering Meta lives and dies by the White House, where abuse and manipulation have become SOP, I'm not sure the CCP stacks up as the boogeyman anymore.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by simjnd »

The GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W.

Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers.

I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by lenerdenator »

koverstreet wrote: post #73
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is. China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That so…

Instead of railing about ideology, try comparing the actions of the U.S. and China over the past 20 years. The U.S. has been far more interventionist and aggressive; China appears to be maturing and the U.S. is regressing.

Tell that to the fishermen on the shores of the South China Sea, Hong Kong, people in India along the border, and of course, Taiwan.

I'll agree that the US is regressing, but it's becoming more like China. You have an elite that are putting themselves beyond any sort of accountability. You need more and more connection to them in order to get anywhere in society. How long before you see them enshrine themselves in the constitution and create a cadre system?

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by snowram »

simjnd wrote: post #262

The GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W. Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers. I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.

That exist, kinda. Android gaming handhelds have mobile SoC and also active cooling. See Ayn and Retroid devices. Their (almost) throttle free is a very nice experience.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by spacedcowboy »

hn_submit wrote: post #231
throwa356262 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After this news they might suddenly be.

The U.S. is already making moves to completely halt the export of ASML machines to China, including non-EUV ones. Every semiconductor China produces could be used in weapons and that's agains U.S. law.

Last I knew, ASML was a Dutch company with a Veldhoven HQ. With the amount of shit that Trump's been pulling in Europe, The EU might be more willing to side with China and ban exports to the US.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by mschuetz »

bee_rider wrote: post #199

Apple is the least interesting company to compare against. They are in their own MacOS/iOS software ecosystem, which you want if you want and you don’t if you don’t. Not to be dismissive of either side of that, there are legit reasons to stay in or out of Apple’s ecosystem. But benchmarking points is not a reason anyone would switch operating systems, right? What OS will these chips run and what is the competition on…

Not at all. I specifically bought a MacBook Air M4, first Mac product in my life, for its fantastic performance in a passively cooled notebook. I have zero loyalty to Apple and usually use Windows. If someone else starts beating them perf wise, I'll happily switch again.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by makingstuffs »

nxm wrote: post #252
oblio wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outcome for the US has been much better Is this better outcome for the US in the room with us?

Compare any measurable economic and investment stat in EU vs US

What happens when you compare quality of life? Or workers rights? Pretty sure that your average person cares more about those two data points…

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Post by fedpost »

oblio wrote: post #256
dirck-norman wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is nowhere near “free market”. Their EV sector received more government subsidies in the last 15 years than the entire U.S. automobile market since inception. The total subsidies make up half of the market cap of their entire EV industry. 250 billion in EV subsidies from China. 10 billion by the U.S.

The US auto industry is also subsidized by all aspects of American life requiring a car outside of NYC and a few big cities.

Also just directly by the USG, see "Cash for Clunkers".

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by lenerdenator »

benj111 wrote: post #221
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is. China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That so…

But as a Brit. America, our supposed ally is slapping tarriffs on us, and threatening our actual allies. China not so much. So which are our adversaries?

> slapping tariffs

Countries change trade policy often as is deemed advantageous. For example, the UK decided to leave the customs union of the EU and start treating trade with the continent as it does everywhere else, and did so by no less than a direct popular vote, not a contrived set of executive orders facing court challenge. Does the EU crow on about how the UK is now an enemy? They would certainly have more long-term evidence for it than they would over changes in trade policy with the United States.

> threatening our actual allies

American military leadership was asked to consider plans for an attack on Greenland. American military leadership refused. [0]

I wonder how Chinese military leadership would do if ordered to invade Taiwan.

[0] https://www.firstpost.com/world/trump-asked-us-special-force...

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Dah00n »

szatkus wrote: post #258
Brybry wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xiaomi's Xring O3 is manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [1] MediaTek Dimensity 9500 is also manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [2] There was no world interdependence change (unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries). [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claim... [2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Proces...

MediaTek is a Taiwanese company. Xiaomi could put any backdoor that the government tell them to install and TSMC won't be able to catch that.

Do you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?
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