Not for subscribers though
Subscribers were already getting subsidised compute and value compared to the 20-200$ fee, peak cakeism to want more considering the alternative would likely be consumption based pricing for individuals so you "benefit" from OpenAI giving up some of their markup (and heavy users end up SOL).
OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
early on there was a lot of talk about "emergent behaviors" in the models where they were good at things that were unexpected or did not align to the training data. IIRC doing arithmetic is one example from early on. I think this is where the AGI craze took off, the labs were throwing more and more data in the training to see what other behaviors would emerge. The thought was with enough data and enough parameters AG…
this comment is delusional. LLMs are awful at arithmetic and AGI is still very sci-fi, otherwise Claude would have told Anthropic how to cheaply generate energy for it to justify its existence by now. As long as the energy use debate persists you can be assured AGI has not arrived.
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#203The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…
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#204The top comment on this thread was about AI models being easily distilled being a stroke of luck. This should not be surprising at all. Every new students spends tiny fractions of time learning knowledge that took many lifetimes to discover. This fundamental to the progress of intelligence and understanding. It should not be surprising that AI can be distilled. It's the logical method of training; I would hope that e…
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#205The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…
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#206Once they make a model better than Fable I’ll be switching to Codex. Their priorities in terms of consumers seem to be better. I do think Anthropic has some solid safety viewpoints, but I don’t necessarily think that either is entirely aligned yet with delivering exactly what humanity needs. Maybe the AI will help align the AI companies when it gets smart enough. That’s the real misalignment I’m concerned about.
It feels like 5.6-Sol is already fairly close to Fable, and in some ways exceeds it. Just the other day I had Fable draw up a solution for me, and then I fed it into 5.6-Sol and said how does this look ... it found an oversight and told me about it, and when I then fed that observation back into Claude it acknowledged the miss. I've noticed also that 5.6-Sol is more concise with output than Fable (and let's not talk…
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
So to be clear, the prediction is that every single location on earth will be economically infeasible due to politics, and that these same politics will have no impact on the launch or satellite businesses? GMAFB. It's stock pump bullshit from a guy who has figured out how to extract the maximum from stock markets.
Meanwhile Nvidia just announced a space-optimized Vera Rubin designed with SpaceX designed for orbital datacenters. But yeah, I'm sure you people with Elon Derangement Syndrome actually have it all figured out /s https://x.com/nvidia/status/2091920680317046847
well, no, they announced the concept of a space-optimized Vera Rubin designed with SpaceX:
> NVIDIA and SpaceXAI are working to adapt that foundation to the requirements of orbital computing while preserving a common NVIDIA architecture and software ecosystem.
The press release is really announcing that SpaceX's terrestrial data centres are going to use Vera Rubin.
https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/spacexai-adopts-nvidia-ve...
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Who knows" is the right answer, I think. If (a) demand for AI continues to increase, and (b) SpaceX can get to ~$100/kg to orbit, then they will have a ridiculously deep moat. Probably more like 10 years, though. But as you said, who knows.
They will have moat in the satellite launching business, which is not useful in the AI datacenter market. You can put AI chips in datacenters in the desert for far less than $100/kg. With lots of solar power available, the option to easily access your hardware and far less radiation issues. The datacenter in space story really only exists to make it possible for Musk to sell X to SpaceX and make more money from the I…
But anyone who thinks they can predict those prices in ten years is wildly overconfident.
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#209The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…
It reminds me conceptually of the idea of using a ST:TNG replicator to just give you another replicator of your own, or asking a stereotypical genie for "infinite wishes". The genie is indeed out of the bottle in many ways.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
They will have moat in the satellite launching business, which is not useful in the AI datacenter market. You can put AI chips in datacenters in the desert for far less than $100/kg. With lots of solar power available, the option to easily access your hardware and far less radiation issues. The datacenter in space story really only exists to make it possible for Musk to sell X to SpaceX and make more money from the I…
Any cooling issues to be resolved?
Cooling is probably the easiest problem to solve, easier than power. And in both cases, the problem is solved by mass to orbit. All you need for cooling is a big f-ing radiator. Solar panels are chips, and not trivial to manufacture. But a radiator is just a hunk of metal with some pipes.
That's why the cost of mass to orbit is the most important thing. You can solve almost any space problem by just throwing more mass at it.